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by Brent Walker 24 Mar '16

24 Mar '16

John, I'd love to have more information/tips/tricks on using these. I picked up one of the 6809 ones a few months back when somebody was selling 4 or 5 of them on eBay, but haven't used it much. Definitely different from the 9010. I was a bit confused about how it seemed to run the mentioned tests while the board (Joust boardset at the time) seemed to be running, so the cycle stealing info makes sense (and remember reading something to that effect in the doc's, or in the video (available on YouTube). I also remember getting certain error messages on the display that may well have been related to the lack (?) of the mentioned pull-up resistors on specific pins. I'll have to pull it out again and give it another go at some point. I seem to remember an earlier post (or maybe it was on KLOV) talking about using a socket between the UUT and the 90 to make it easier to use with some UUT configurations, but don't remember the details - ie, install a couple of sockets on the UUT, put the processor into the top socket, and then clip the 90 into place - this may have been a means of getting a pull-up resistor between the uP pin(s) in question and the UUT PCB. It would be nice to have a full write-up/guide on using these with arcade/pinball PCB's - there's just not much out there on them, and I'm sure they'd be useful for cases where you just can't get your hands on a 9010/9100 equivalent pod. Brent > The 90 series was designed in Canada (Edmonton, Alberta) and worked > fairly well as a clip-over the CPU type of exorcisor. I've got pretty > much the complete set and they can be handy at times, especially if you > don't have the pod for your 9010/9100. I have all the pods so these > basically sit on a shelf. > > These only work with CPUs that can support having their address and data > lines floated when you select a particular CPU pin, AND that pin MUST > have a pullup resistor on the UUT PCB. In some cases that pin was simply > wired to Vcc, and then to able to use the 90 you have to cut the Vcc > trace and add a 10K pullup. > > The 90 works by cycle stealing, it runs when the CPU is on the opposite > cycle. Rather cute in fact - the game can be running and you can run a > RAM, ROM and I/O test at the same time! > > It has a RS-232 port as I recall and if more folks on the list had these > then I probably would have played more with mine and we may have made > some use of it here. > > Perhaps a show of hands of folks with the Z80 or 9809 Series 90? > > If there is interest perhaps I can contact the designer and see if he is > any more interested in sharing info on the unit than he was the last > time I asked about six years ago...what I'd like him to do is write the > story of the 90 series device, and what the heck, I will try contacting > him again in any case. It would be nice to get the story out! > > John :-#)# > > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 6809 pod
by teeray 20 Mar '16

20 Mar '16

Tony, All John meant was that (you, me, anybody) considering buying a Fluke cpu pod might want to check the Fluke 90 series as an alternative to the ridiculous prices people want for the Fluke pods. End of story. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Jones <tony(a)tonyjones.com> >Sent: Mar 17, 2016 9:36 PM >To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com>, John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> >Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 6809 pod > >John. Who is the "you" here? Me? Kevin? Both of us have 6809 pods so >I'm not understanding why we would want the 90? Can you elaborate? >On Mar 17, 2016 2:47 PM, "John Robertson" <jrr(a)flippers.com> wrote: > >> On 03/17/2016 12:33 PM, Tony Jones wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 3:08 PM, Kevin Moore <talon.k(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Man those things have gone up in price. I bought 2 about 3 years ago for >>>> $350 total. >>>> >>> This was a very good deal 3 years ago. Last one to sell on eBay >>> (untested/as-is) went for $500. >>> >> >> You may want to keep an eye out for the Fluke 90 series portable MPU >> analyzers... >> >> John :-#)# >> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >>> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> -- >> How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >> https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 6809 pod
by teeray 18 Mar '16

18 Mar '16

http://navatek.com/wordpress/fluke-90/ -----Original Message----- >From: Tony Jones >Sent: Mar 17, 2016 8:12 PM >To: teeray >Cc: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com>, John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> >Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 6809 pod > >On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 7:18 PM, teeray <teeray(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> [anyone] considering buying a Fluke cpu pod might want to check the Fluke 90 series > >oic. I know nothing about the 90, what are the functional differences >if any? The display seems very small (prior ebay link). > >don't really want to touch the 'ridiculous' bit with a 10' pole ;-) > >thanks! _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Fluke 6809 pod
by Tony Jones 18 Mar '16

18 Mar '16

I just listed a 6809 pod on the KLOV site. I assume most people here are members there so I'll just give a link to the thread: http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=371327 Thanks! _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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BK 560 serial port
by Ian Eure 14 Mar '16

14 Mar '16

Has anyone successfully used the User Library Software or serial port with a BK 560? I finally picked up one of these, but I haven’t found copies of the user library software or manual anywhere. If anyone has a copy, could they upload or point me to it? — Ian _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Tek TLA6xx/7xx install discs
by Ian Eure 27 Feb '16

27 Feb '16

I picked up one of these fairly recently, and would like to replace the original HDD with a flash setup. Unfortunately, it didn't come with the original install media. Anyone have a copy handy? It's running Win2k, I'm not sure if I can install a normal copy and then the TLA software, or if I need a special install disc to drive the LA hardware. It looks like it’s running TLA v4.4. Any advice / guidance would be appreciated. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Data IO 29b issues
by Tony Jones 24 Feb '16

24 Feb '16

Has anyone succeeded at using a USB->Serial adapter with their Data IO 29b? I'm using a Prolific USB to serial adapter because the Lenovo X200s laptop I earmarked for bench use doesn't have a native serial port (not available on the docking station either). I initially was using Windows 7 x86_64 but that required running Promlink under dosbox which was generating frame errors on the DosBox console and on the 29b display. Switching to 32bit Windows 7, I can run the patched version (standard version gives me Error 11) and it appears to open COM1 which is mapped onto the USB but I get a Frame Err 41 on the 29b and Promlink software cannot connect at 9600,N,8,1. Unfortunately, I can't get any serial port sniffing tools such as Sysinternals Portmon or AccessPort to work, both fail with "handle is invalid" error which I'm guessing is a driver issue. thanks! tony _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Restoring Old Console Plastic...
by Jess Askey 22 Feb '16

22 Feb '16

Hey everyone... Seems like there has been lots of information out there for a few years on how to use Peroxide based bleaches along with UV in order to remove the 'yellow' from old plastics. I decided to try this on my 9010A because it had been sitting idle for quite a long time in the sun of Colorado and was pretty badly yellowed... Attached is a before and after photos if you are interested... it took me about 4 hours to do this and I would say the results are pretty good. I did have to do some extra steps as the peroxide cream I used (I had the '20%' strength version from Sally Beauty supply, and probably should have tried to find the 40% cream instead) left sort of a mottled bleaching pattern... I ended up bleaching with the peroxide cream twice with a total time in the sun of about 5 hours. Afterwards, definitely some improvements but it is inconsistent and actually didn't look that great. I still had some deep yellow areas. I decided to pull out the acetone at that point to see if I could potentially blend in the differences and it actually just seemed to strip off the yellow layer quite nicely. I used paper towels and acetone a few time to get things looking good, then some Novus plastic polish and that was where I stopped. Anyway, looks much nicer... time to try it on my Data IO 29B now! _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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9010/9100: Floating the 6502 Data and Address buses
by John Robertson 21 Feb '16

21 Feb '16

This is a work in progress. I have a couple of Gottlieb sound boards with two 6502s on each that are soldered to the PCB. The only 'easy' way to do tests is to socket the 6502s, isn't it? The 6502 does not support floating the Data/Address bus (except for the 6512), does it? Well, no, there is an easier way - it seems you can float the 6502 Address and Data lines using the following technique: 1) Clip off (leave a bit remaining) of the Vcc pin 8. 2) Find a 40 pin glomper clip and ribbon wire to a 40 pin header. 3) solder 2 40 pin IC sockets back to back after first removing pin 32 from the inner socket (this will contact the cut off pin 8 via the glomper otherwise and power the 6502 CPU) and bend out pin 8 of the other (outer) socket. 4) solder a short jumper wire on the bent out pin and connect it to a jumper that you will hook to Vcc. 5) plug the double 40 pin socket on your 40 pin header and move the connectors on the glomper so pin 1 & 40 move to the correct pins on the outer 40 pin socket. 6) Hook glomper on 6502, connect jumper to Vcc 7) run your 9010 tests! OK, it isn't perfect...need to work on the loading because if I get inconsistent reads from the Eproms on a known-to-be-good board. And the RAM test craps out if the Eproms are installed - sometimes. Need to play with some pullup resistors next...but the RAM short and long tests pass on 6116s. John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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WTD: Fluke 9132 misc items
by Tony Jones 15 Feb '16

15 Feb '16

Looking for some weird-n-wacky Fluke 9132 items: - 9132A sync modules (see link 1 below), ideally three of tbem. - 9132FT ROM adapters (see link 2; I'm not interested in the actual 9132FT ROM pod, rather the adapter [red arrow]). I'd prefer two of each size (40, 28/32). - Any 9132FT personality modules [both the personality and the sync module cpu socket]. - 9132A 68000 personality module [both the personality and the sync module cpu socket]. I have a large number of 9132A ROM adapters (24, 28 and 32 pin) and 9132A personality modules; either for sale (cheap; all this stuff is cheap as no video/pinball use) or for trade. thanks! 1: http://s20.postimg.org/sykco9nnh/9132a_sync.jpg 2: http://s20.postimg.org/x8z0jusql/9132ft_rom.jpg _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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