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Designing a 9010 replacement LED display?
by John Robertson via Techtoolslist 09 Feb '24

09 Feb '24

I was looking at my 9005 and grumbling because the tube is missing, then I pulled out the 9010a service manual and you know, it looks like it would be a pretty easy fix to replace the tube with 32 digit alpha-numeric LEDs of the correct size on a small PCB and all that would be needed is to replace the UDN6118 fluorescent drivers with suitable LED drivers and find a place to grab 5V and ground and then mount the new display to the board... Maybe it would work? Anyone interested in poking at the KiCAD layout? I have no free time, but I know there are folks out there looking for a solution to bad or weak tubes... Here is the page: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9010%20Series/9010_Fixture%… <ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/Test_Equipment/Fluke/9010%20Series/9010_Fixture%…> John :-#)# -- _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] [Vectorlist] Updating - W-G 6100 Vector Monitor FAQ & Guide V1.1
by mike hooker via Techtoolslist 07 Dec '23

07 Dec '23

data east pinball power supply HV transistors work well too. i think thy are mje15031 and 15030. you do have to swap the legs. i mount them, and solder jumper leads from the legs to the board. much easier than twisting the legs. ----- Original Message ----- From: colin.w.davies via Techtoolslist <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Reply-To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> To: Discussons of vector-based arcade games. <vectorlist(a)lists.vectorlist.org> Cc: colin.w.davies <colin.w.davies(a)btopenworld.com>, <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Sent: 12/6/2023 7:19:35 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] [Vectorlist] Updating - W-G 6100 Vector Monitor FAQ & Guide V1.1 ________________________________________________________________________________ Bd237 and Bd238 seem to work well but you have to shuffle the legs around. (Think pin 2 and 3 are swapped). Cheap and easy to find.Sent from my Galaxy -------- Original message --------From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> Date: 06/12/2023 22:26 (GMT+00:00) To: "Discussons of vector-based arcade games." <vectorlist(a)lists.vectorlist.org> Cc: techtoolslist(a)flippers.com Subject: [Vectorlist] Updating - W-G 6100 Vector Monitor FAQ & Guide V1.1 Who is maintaining this? I ask because on page 8 there is a typo - that I've only just realized when I was going through trying to update my WG monitors as we have a pair of SWs that are running WGs (with the LV2000 kits). It says "R701 (1.3K) changed from +/-2%, 1/4W to +/-1%, 5W.(*)" That can't be right, I am certain it should instead say: "R701 (1.3K) changed from +/-2%, 1/4W to +/-1%, 0.5W.(*)" and it would be clearer with: "R701 (1.3K) changed from +/-2%, 1/4W to +/-1%, 1/2W.(*)" It makes no sense otherwise. There simply can't be enough current for a 5W resistor as this is ground biasing the base of a small signal transistor. Then there is the question of Q604/Q704 (MPSU07) transistors upgraded to TO-202 (NTE-49) which looks like another problem as there is no NTE-49 and hasn't been for decades. That was the same as the ECG-49, which was a NPN-Si, 125Vcbo, 2A, Gen Purpose TO-202. Anyone have a workable replacement to save me the lookup time? I'm thinking a Rv1.2 is overdue... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/

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Updating - W-G 6100 Vector Monitor FAQ & Guide V1.1
by John Robertson via Techtoolslist 06 Dec '23

06 Dec '23

Who is maintaining this? I ask because on page 8 there is a typo - that I've only just realized when I was going through trying to update my WG monitors as we have a pair of SWs that are running WGs (with the LV2000 kits). It says "R701 (1.3K) changed from +/-2%, 1/4W to +/-1%, *5*W.(*)" That can't be right, I am certain it should instead say: "R701 (1.3K) changed from +/-2%, 1/4W to +/-1%, *_0._5*W.(*)" and it would be clearer with: "R701 (1.3K) changed from +/-2%, 1/4W to +/-1%, _*1/2*_W.(*)" It makes no sense otherwise. There simply can't be enough current for a 5W resistor as this is ground biasing the base of a small signal transistor. Then there is the question of Q604/Q704 (MPSU07) transistors upgraded to TO-202 (NTE-49) which looks like another problem as there is no NTE-49 and hasn't been for decades. That was the same as the ECG-49, which was a NPN-Si, 125Vcbo, 2A, Gen Purpose TO-202. Anyone have a workable replacement to save me the lookup time? I'm thinking a Rv1.2 is overdue... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/

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email forwarding and Gmail
by John Robertson via Techtoolslist 05 Dec '23

05 Dec '23

Hi Folks, I've had some bounces lately and Pair Tech Support has figured it out: ---------(quote)----------- The Yahoo IPs are getting in the headers and bounce messages due to forwards. The headers you provided show this line: X-Yahoo-Forwarded: From somebody(a)verizon.net To someboy(a)gmail.com Verizon sub-contracts Yahoo to host their @verizon.net. It seems that you havesomebody(a)verizon.net on your PairList mailing list, and the user of that address has it set to forward to his Gmail address. Gmail is rejecting the forward from the Yahoo server due to your DMARC setup and the SPF record you have in place. There is no way to force Gmail to accept the forwarded mail, and no way to force Yahoo to do a better job forwarding mail. The only real solution is to replace thesomebody(a)verizon.net address on your PairList with that person's real e-mail address, which appears to besomebody(a)gmail.com. Doing this would prevent it from being forwarded through Yahoo services. I suspect you will over time get similar bounces from others who forward through Yahoo as well. In each case you would need to read through the bounce message and see which address it was sent to (which will be the address that is forwarding the mail), and which address is listed as the address it bounced from (which is where the mail was being forwarded to), then update your mailing list accordingly. ---------(end tech quote)---------- So, if you are forwarding emails then gmail has a surprise in store for you! John :-#(# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] Rom signatures different between 9010 & 9100?
by teeray 04 Dec '23

04 Dec '23

This is a DOS program it runs in a windows command prompt My email will not send an exe file even if inside a zip just rename it to dot exe Tim -----Original Message----- From: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Sent: Dec 4, 2023 7:12 AM To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Rom signatures different between 9010 & 9100? They are different, and mostly everyone uses the crc32 script on the 9100. I don't think anybody EVER figured out the Fluke 9100 signature math. William Stillwell On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 2:12 AM wrote: > Anyone know? > > > > Thanks, > > David > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site 2005-Current: > https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/ > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/

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Rom signatures different between 9010 & 9100?
by davids＠oz.net 04 Dec '23

04 Dec '23

Anyone know? Thanks, David _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/

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Fluke 9010 ram test for 4 bits? Or any non 8 bit wide memory?
by davids＠oz.net 04 Dec '23

04 Dec '23

Have a suspect bad pallet ram on Missile Command, and I see that it is on the CPU memory map so I should be able to get to it from the fluke. Now it is only 4 bits wide (and only uses 8 addresses) so I can just do it manually but I have seen this on other boards before and never could find a way to use the fluke to test these 4 bit rams. Would also assume it could be a problem for 68000 based boards which use 16bit wide memory. David _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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