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Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter
by teeray 27 Jan '09

27 Jan '09

OK Guys, A 6502 NOP will not produce sig's that match Atari doc's. Reason is the 6502 takes two clock cycles to do a NOP instruction. The Cat Box takes one clock cycle. So you get double readings of each address. All you need to do is make an NOP using a couple of counter IC's to cycle through the address range on each clock cycle. Or divide the clock by 2 and use this as your clock connection for the Analyzer. You can do this with one D type flip flop IC. Tim -----Original Message----- >From: "martin(a)guddler.co.uk" <martin(a)guddler.co.uk> >Sent: Jan 24, 2009 7:38 PM >To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> >Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Atari 6502A NOP adapter > >Sorry guys, I should have said, I've got the doc. I've probably got >the one you're pointing too as well John. But I'll pick it up from TT >tomorrow if not, thank you. > >Nice to see the same people still reading as were here in 2002 as >well :) > >OK. Tomorrow ill put more thought into comparing the two CPUs. The >only thing that really springs to mind at the moment is maybe they've >messed with the order of the address lines or something? > >The really odd thing is I know for a fact I've fixed centipede boards >in the past with my 5006. > >Incidentally, I'm now using the 9100 for the sigs. I keep meaning to >post the programs up on my website but they need some refining. Error >trapping and the like. I've had it producing HP signatures for some >time now. > >I'll post back if I work anything out. Thanks for the pointers though. > >Martin. > > >On Jan 24, 2009, at 20:39, John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> wrote: > >> martin(a)guddler.co.uk wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Just been trying to find information on what is different about the >>> KK 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures >>> as opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the >>> question has been posed before - not surprising I guess. >>> >>> Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not >>> looking in the right places? >>> >>> I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my >>> standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned >>> if I can find them so maybe I imagined it. >>> >>> In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the >>> footnote on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that >>> ought to be all over the net but I can't find a link to it just yet! >>> >>> The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is >>> here (with no answer): >>> http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Martin. >>> >> Check the FTP archive on TTL (link below) for "Sig-Analy- >> HPJMay77.pdf" this covers some Sig Analysis questions. I only have >> info on the 6502, 6800 and Z80 NOP fixtures, which is at the rear of >> "KK-Signature2.pdf" in the KurzKasch section of TTL. >> >> For your question I would print off the last two pages of the >> KK_Signature2.pdf, then pull up info on the 8080, find out what >> instruction gives NOP, and then compare the pinout with the 6502. >> >> John :-#)# >> >> -- >> How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Fluke 9010a Tape Drive
by Matt Rossiter 25 Jan '09

25 Jan '09

Hello Everyone, I'm trying to fix my Fluke 9010a tape drive which was working at one point and now is having problems. I'm not having much luck getting it going again and I'm starting to suspect that I might be having an issue with the UPI-41A (Universal Periferal Interface) chip. http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Intel-8041A.pdf [1] I know where I can get some of these chips, the problem is they are programmable so I would need someone's help copying the data off a known working Fluke 9010a Tape drive and then have them programmed for me. Does anyone have a programmer that can read/program 8041a/8741a chips? I know the Xeltek SuperPro 3000u can do them. My second option is to find someone who is parting out a Fluke 9010a and get the tape drive from them. I have a bunch of tapes with programs on them I'd like to archive. Is anyone parting out a Fluke 9010a at this time? :) Matt PS - it would be nice to get the ROM off the Fluke 9010a tape drive for preservation purposes! Links: ------ [1] http://games.rossiters.com/manuals/fluke/Intel-8041A.pdf _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Atari 6502A NOP adapter
by martin＠guddler.co.uk 25 Jan '09

25 Jan '09

Hi all, Just been trying to find information on what is different about the KK 6502 (Atari) NOP adapter that makes it produce 8080 signatures as opposed to the normal 6502 ones and I discovered that the question has been posed before - not surprising I guess. Just wandering if this mystery was ever solved and perhaps I'm not looking in the right places? I'm sure I once took down signatures from a working board using my standard 6502 adapter but as always, when I want them, I'm damned if I can find them so maybe I imagined it. In case anyone hasn't a clue what I'm talking about, see the footnote on page 14 of the PDF document "SigAnalNotes.pdf" that ought to be all over the net but I can't find a link to it just yet! The original TechTools list message where this was asked before is here (with no answer): http://www.vectorlist.org/TechTools/2002/10/0035.html Thanks, Martin. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Fluke 9010 Tapes
by thomas43 07 Jan '09

07 Jan '09

I have a bunch of tapes here that I received with a unit I bought from an operator. There are a bunch of test routines for games like Galaga, Tempest, Battlezone and others (about 20 tapes). Does anyone here want to play with them, and post up the info for others to share? I don't have the time to mess with these. Scott _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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WTB: Fluke 6809 pod
by Tim Matthews 06 Jan '09

06 Jan '09

Hi all. I'm looking for a working Fluke 6809 pod. Have cash waiting! I'd also consider a reasonably intact but unworking pod if the price is right and nothing else is available. thanks, Tim ps I'm in the UK but willing to pay international shipping. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Interest in Fluke 9100A?
by James Bright 01 Jan '09

01 Jan '09

I've got too many spare units here (4 x Fluke 9100A) so I thought I'd see if anyone wants one. One has a video card, the others don't. I haven't booted them up in a while, but I've just kept them around in case I needed spare parts. Let me know if you're interested... reasonable offers considered. A couple will probably end up on ebay. Just looking to break even on them. Thanks. JB _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 900 dynamic trouble shooter
by John Robertson 20 Dec '08

20 Dec '08

Hi Steve, Let me guess, you are using Outlook Express as a mail reader... I will insert the two images in just below this text, the images are large - 4mb - so you can see the details. John :-#)# mail(a)nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: > Hello John, > Thanks for the response. No pictures attached or linked though. I have > been collating information to get my unit working so a picture of your > self test result page would be handy. > > Do you have the interface pod for the unit? > > I will pass on the fluke pod as I can get one from Art for $100 including > the postage. > > Thanks > Steve > > > >> Hi Steve, >> >> My unit does not pass self test as you can see from the photo. If I tell >> it to "ignore" it then does the self test again, going past the Memory >> test, and into the Hardware Test. Gets up to Hardware 56 and then the >> fail screen reappears. >> >> I have two manuals for the machine and the operators book says to >> contact FLUKE to identify what the self test problem is...that is a lot >> of use! >> >> PIctures included. I have no spare parts/accessories (that I know of!) >> for this 900 series unit. >> >> I do have probes for the 9010 - they are $150 each. >> >> Asking $100 plus shipping... >> >> John :-#)# >> >> Backflipper wrote: >> >>> Hello John, >>> I hope you had a good holiday. What can we do about this fluke 900 you >>> have? Also do you have any data aquisition probes for the 9010a? >>> Cheers >>> Steve >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> *From:* John Robertson <mailto:jrr@flippers.com> >>> *To:* mail(a)nessandsteve.plus.com <mailto:mail@nessandsteve.plus.com> >>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:41 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 900 dynamic trouble shooter >>> >>> Hi Steve, >>> >>> Got the email, but I am going on vacation for a week and won't be >>> able to dig it out before I go. >>> >>> Remind me in a week or so... >>> >>> John :-#)# >>> >>> mail(a)nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: >>> >>>> That sounds good to me. >>>> I have sent you an email. >>>> Steve >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Backflipper wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Not to be confused with the dedicated CPU testers similar to the >>>>>> 9010a. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have one and it is displaying failures on boot up, so I have >>>>>> been >>>>>> putting together my notes on what I have found as there is no >>>>>> service >>>>>> manual available. Is anybody else interested in this information, >>>>>> does >>>>>> anybody else have one that can send me details on the fault >>>>>> report they >>>>>> have? >>>>>> >>>>>> I know a few people out there have had one infact someone posted >>>>>> on here >>>>>> a few months back with one but I couldn't get in touch, Bill if >>>>>> you are >>>>>> still out there can you get in touch. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> I have a 900 that is simply collecting dust - no manuals though. >>>>> If you >>>>> can use it get in touch with me. It seems to have a problem with >>>>> memory >>>>> as I recall, but I haven't turned it on in many years... >>>>> >>>>> John :-#)# >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 >>>>> Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >>>>> www.flippers.com >>>>> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 >>> Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >>> www.flippers.com >>> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 >> Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com >> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" >> >> >> > > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"

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Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 900 dynamic trouble shooter
by John Robertson 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

Hi Steve, Got the email, but I am going on vacation for a week and won't be able to dig it out before I go. Remind me in a week or so... John :-#)# mail(a)nessandsteve.plus.com wrote: > That sounds good to me. > I have sent you an email. > Steve > > >> Backflipper wrote: >> >>> Not to be confused with the dedicated CPU testers similar to the 9010a. >>> >>> I have one and it is displaying failures on boot up, so I have been >>> putting together my notes on what I have found as there is no service >>> manual available. Is anybody else interested in this information, does >>> anybody else have one that can send me details on the fault report they >>> have? >>> >>> I know a few people out there have had one infact someone posted on here >>> a few months back with one but I couldn't get in touch, Bill if you are >>> still out there can you get in touch. >>> >>> Cheers >>> Steve >>> >>> >> I have a 900 that is simply collecting dust - no manuals though. If you >> can use it get in touch with me. It seems to have a problem with memory >> as I recall, but I haven't turned it on in many years... >> >> John :-#)# >> >> -- >> John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 >> Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) >> www.flippers.com >> "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" >> >> >> > > > > > -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"

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Fluke 900 dynamic trouble shooter
by Backflipper 29 Nov '08

29 Nov '08

Not to be confused with the dedicated CPU testers similar to the 9010a. I have one and it is displaying failures on boot up, so I have been putting together my notes on what I have found as there is no service manual available. Is anybody else interested in this information, does anybody else have one that can send me details on the fault report they have? I know a few people out there have had one infact someone posted on here a few months back with one but I couldn't get in touch, Bill if you are still out there can you get in touch. Cheers Steve _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Dataman omnipro II eprom programmer
by Backflipper 27 Nov '08

27 Nov '08

Any of you good folk out there got a bipolar prom module for this? Thanks in advance. Cheers Steve _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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