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Re: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla
by James Bright 25 Feb '09

25 Feb '09

P.S. Assembla is a pretty good, free place to have source code stored for you particularly if you are familiar with svn & tortoise. I could easily add a "scripts" directory and we could use that to share 9010A scripts if there is interest. The benefit over ftp is that you get revision history. John I'm pretty sure I could add you as a co-admin. JB ---------------------------------------- From: "James Bright" <james(a)quarterarcade.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 8:29 PM To: techtoolslist(a)flippers.com Subject: [Techtoolslist] FIDE now available on assembla I've made available a public svn repository for FIDE. You'll have read only access by default. If you want to actually write some real code or create a branch (say FIDE.net!) then contact me and we'll see about adding you onto the team. Happy coding... http://www.assembla.com/spaces/FIDE JB _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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FIDE now available on assembla
by James Bright 25 Feb '09

25 Feb '09

I've made available a public svn repository for FIDE. You'll have read only access by default. If you want to actually write some real code or create a branch (say FIDE.net!) then contact me and we'll see about adding you onto the team. Happy coding... http://www.assembla.com/spaces/FIDE JB _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] OT: FIDE x64 and the future
by James Bright 23 Feb '09

23 Feb '09

The format for the output was documented. IIRC, though, there were also one or two errors in the documentation. There was an alternative compiler that someone created that documents these commands. It was at John's old ftp site. I'm sure he has it somewhere. If you read that .BAS file, you can learn about some other hidden/unpublished tricks. I took the approach of creating a "pre-compiler" that dealt with include files and such and then that got passed into the 9LC compiler because I didn't want to have to re-write a compiler. Believe me, the thought did cross my mind! Imagine being able to write something closer to C# that could run on the 9010A :-) But once I got FIDE to a point, I figured it was "good enough". I was spending far more time developing FIDE than fixing boards! Although it was a fun project. I'll look into putting FIDE up on sourceforge.net some time this week. Then others that want to take a crack at it can. Another approach that I had considered was doing something like butchering #develop or some other IDE to have a richer, color syntax highlighting IDE to write the test scripts in. JB ---------------------------------------- From: martin(a)guddler.co.uk Sent: Monday, February 23, 2009 1:43 PM To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] OT: FIDE x64 and the future Hi Tim, It's actually pretty easy. It's not really a compiler as such. Hmm, well, I suppose it is! All it does is convert the commands into 9010 keypresses pretty much. The format is actually fully documented in the back of one of the manuals. I forget which one it is but my money would be on it being a technical or programming one :) Martin. > Hi all, > > I just wanted to chime in here. First, thanks to James for FIDE and the > many > hours of easy 9010A programming it has provided me. > > Secondly, I recently upgraded to Vista x64 and found that FIDE no longer > works. I was planning to mail James separately but this seems an > appropriate > forum. The issue as Martin has alluded is 9lc.exe and its status as a > 16bit > exe. As there is no 16bit run time or thunking on x64, it fails badly. I > was > happy to accept this as recently I've just been using FIDE to suck scripts > from the Fluke for storage. Unfortunately, it seems FIDE tries to run 9lc > when most FIDE - Fluke IO operations occur. These fail and FIDE refuses to > go further. Is it possible to provide a short-term fix build which allows > the FIDE - Fluke IO without calling 9lc? A sort of compiled object only > mode? > > The second part, and that which I think is much more important for the > future when x64 and/or non-intel CPUs become ubiquitous is to define a > replacement for 9lc. I've not performed any analysis yet, but I would > anticipate it's a simple, non-relocatable compiler. Are there any details > 'out there'? Does anybody have any Fluke documentation or tech notes on > the > format? I've written compilers before and hopefully in the reaches of my > brain, enough information remains to get a basic replacement coded. I > don't > think I have enough time to reduce 9lc back to source to determine the > inner > workings, but I am confident I can find enough time to code a replacement > from a partial spec. > > To make a production grade replacement, I'd need plenty of varied source > scripts too; if this takes off I'll be back for those later. It would of > course be released to the public domain. > > thanks, > tim > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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OT: FIDE x64 and the future
by Tim Matthews 23 Feb '09

23 Feb '09

Hi all, I just wanted to chime in here. First, thanks to James for FIDE and the many hours of easy 9010A programming it has provided me. Secondly, I recently upgraded to Vista x64 and found that FIDE no longer works. I was planning to mail James separately but this seems an appropriate forum. The issue as Martin has alluded is 9lc.exe and its status as a 16bit exe. As there is no 16bit run time or thunking on x64, it fails badly. I was happy to accept this as recently I've just been using FIDE to suck scripts from the Fluke for storage. Unfortunately, it seems FIDE tries to run 9lc when most FIDE - Fluke IO operations occur. These fail and FIDE refuses to go further. Is it possible to provide a short-term fix build which allows the FIDE - Fluke IO without calling 9lc? A sort of compiled object only mode? The second part, and that which I think is much more important for the future when x64 and/or non-intel CPUs become ubiquitous is to define a replacement for 9lc. I've not performed any analysis yet, but I would anticipate it's a simple, non-relocatable compiler. Are there any details 'out there'? Does anybody have any Fluke documentation or tech notes on the format? I've written compilers before and hopefully in the reaches of my brain, enough information remains to get a basic replacement coded. I don't think I have enough time to reduce 9lc back to source to determine the inner workings, but I am confident I can find enough time to code a replacement from a partial spec. To make a production grade replacement, I'd need plenty of varied source scripts too; if this takes off I'll be back for those later. It would of course be released to the public domain. thanks, tim _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] FS: More 9100A items
by James Bright 23 Feb '09

23 Feb '09

As a professional .NET developer... I can tell you it ain't pretty. I did it in VB6 (which I had to "learn" because I hate VB) because at the time there weren't any great serial APIs for .NET. That's probably not true anymore. I did start on a 9100A version of FIDE (because I find the 9100A soooo much slower than I can actually type) but that was about the time that my second child came along so I didn't have much time to devote to that. Besides that 9010A is a lot more approachable for anyone beginning to troubleshoot. How are you making out on the 9100A? There is a lot of potential there. I could "shotgun" a board a lot more quickly with the 9010, but the 9100 would be more thorough if you have the time to invest. The thought did occur to me to sell my bench 9100... then I booted it up tonight and went into editor mode and reminded myself how cool a little test machine it was :-) JB ---------------------------------------- From: martin(a)guddler.co.uk Sent: Sunday, February 22, 2009 9:25 PM To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FS: More 9100A items > P.S. I am thinking of opening up FIDE as open source. Thoughts? Of course > it's written in crappy VB6. I'd certainly be interested in taking a look! A few years ago I'd have offered to take it on and bring it up to .NET, and maintain it etc. but I'm not sure I'd ever get round to it these days since I'm now using the 9100 so haven't really used FIDE in ages. If there was enough interest then I could look at porting it to RealBasic and doing a Mac version but I doubt there's enough interest out there to warrant it and I'd also have to borrow a 9010 in order to test the results really. Martin. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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FS: More 9100A items
by James Bright 23 Feb '09

23 Feb '09

Going through items that I know I'm not going to get to for quite some time... I have 3 9100As, all not working. Parts machine, although I am certain that you could get one working if you replaced the HDD. It had been working for me previously, although now it has self test issues. One of the 9100As is a dual disk version so it's really just good for spare memory and what not. Let's say $100 for the lot. Problem is shipping is going to be very, very expense as these suckers are heavy. But I'd rather offer them up to the community first. So if you want this for $100 + actual shipping, let me know. I'd rather not break it up. I also have a spare -003 module for the 9100A. See http://www.quarterarcade.com/game.aspx/8756 . I'll probably list it on my ebay store for $150, but if anyone here wants it, $125 + $10 shipping. I know that it says that it doesn't include any clips, but I am positive I can include some clips (if not a whole set, a partial set). Let me know if you are specifically looking for a 9100A part. I may have it. A few years ago I was buying this stuff in large lots. Thanks. (Someone should plot the correlation between 0 kids & # boards fixed to 3 kids & # boards fixed...) JB P.S. I am thinking of opening up FIDE as open source. Thoughts? Of course it's written in crappy VB6. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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FS: Fluke 9100A -003 I/O module
by James Bright 17 Feb '09

17 Feb '09

John, LMK if this is getting annoying! :-) Most of my excess stuff is going to ebay but there are a few specialty items that I figured people might want to contact me directly for. I have a spare 9100A -003 I/O module. $100 paypal plus ... figure $8 shipping in the U.S. This would be just the I/O unit, not clips. Clean unit, sitting on my shelf for a few years. I have not used it recently. Thanks! JB ---------------------------------------- From: "James Bright" <james(a)quarterarcade.com> Sent: Sunday, February 15, 2009 1:43 PM To: techtoolslist(a)flippers.com Subject: FS: Fluke 9100A video card Figured I'd list it here first before it goes to ebay. Finally getting around to taking pictures of stuff. http://www.quarterarcade.com/game.aspx/8751 $50 plus $8 shipping (US). As-is untested (but there is no reason to believe it doesn't work). Paypal. Thanks! JB _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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FS: Fluke 9100A video card
by James Bright 15 Feb '09

15 Feb '09

Figured I'd list it here first before it goes to ebay. Finally getting around to taking pictures of stuff. http://www.quarterarcade.com/game.aspx/8751 $50 plus $8 shipping (US). As-is untested (but there is no reason to believe it doesn't work). Paypal. Thanks! JB _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Atari 6502A NOP adapter
by kevin spears 05 Feb '09

05 Feb '09

This is surely a dumb question, but what is the purpose of the NOP adapter? _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Uploaded new files
by John Robertson 05 Feb '09

05 Feb '09

Hi, Have just uploaded a somewhat large (28mb) zipped file that is the 1986 Data I/O wall chart of Eprom/PROM programming info. John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL: http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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