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Fluke 9020a - need replacement "low pulse" key switch
by Andy Smout 17 Mar '15

17 Mar '15

hello! I recently bought a Fluke 9020a w ieee-488 interface and the "low pulse" key switch behaves as a momentary sw only whereas the "high pulse" switch is a toggle - PTMK-PTBRK. on reading a post by Martin from 2006 i realised my LOW pulse" sw probably needs replacement. anyone know of a source for the switch mechanism ? anyone repaired or lubricated the switch successfully ? cheers, andy _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] leland off road pal dump needed u85
by tonyhtbsusa 17 Mar '15

17 Mar '15

Do you have a pinout of how you did it Did you go from pin one to pin one Did it matter what address line or data line went to what pin on eprom The 2716 starts at address 7 on pin 1 And data lines are split >From side to side What did you do with /oe or /ce Thanks tony -----Original Message----- From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of Clay Cowgill Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 4:20 PM To: 'Technical Tools Mail List' Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] leland off road pal dump needed u85 Since it's an 16L8 (and not an 'R' or 'V') you don't have to worry about any hidden internal states. Back around ~2003, Tim Lindquist and I reverse engineered the Capcom CPS2 B board PALs. I made a little wiring adapter for the 16L8 to be read as a 2716 EPROM. (Connect all the inputs to the 'address' lines and the outputs to the 'data' lines.) Reading the "2716" produced a binary file of all the possible input/output combinations. I extracted that as text and formatted it in to ABEL table format like: PAL CONVERTER ; Converting: cap_caw.bin... [ 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ] -> [ 0,1,0,1 ]; [ 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ] -> [ 0,1,0,1 ]; [ 0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ] -> [ 0,1,0,1 ]; [ 1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ] -> [ 0,1,0,1 ]; ... [ 0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 ] -> [ 1,1,1,0 ]; [ 1,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 ] -> [ 1,1,1,0 ]; [ 0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 ] -> [ 1,1,1,0 ]; [ 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 ] -> [ 1,1,1,0 ]; ...and then let the ABEL compiler reduce that to equations and a usable .JED for burning new parts. A pretty much automatic process that didn't really require any special 'pal cracking' capable hardware. The ABEL compiler also produced the intermediate equations which were much more compact than the big tables-- for example, ~2000 lines of the above stuff cooked down to: Y8 = (I4 & !I3 # I8 & !I4 & I10 # I4 & !I10 # !I8 & I4 # I7 # I6 # I5 # I2 # I1); Y6 = (I4 & I3 & I10 # I4 & !I3 & !I10 # I9 & I4 & I10 # !I8 & !I4 & !I10 # !I9 & !I8 & !I4 # I8 & I4 # !I7 # I6 # I5 # I2 # I1); Y4 = (I9 & I4 & !I3 # I4 & !I3 & !I10 # !I8 & I4 & I3 & I10 # !I7 & I4 & !I3 # !I7 & I4 & !I10 # I8 & I7 & I4 # I8 & !I7 & !I4 & I10 # !I8 & I7 & !I4 & !I10 # !I9 & !I8 & I7 & !I4 # I6 # I5 # I2 # I1); Y1 = (!I1); -Clay -----Original Message----- From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of Tony htbs Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:23 PM To: 'Technical Tools Mail List' Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] leland off road pal dump needed u85 U85 is the chip location I have the 2-22 u85 non track pac can you dump it if I get it to you Or can I dump it or get you a file I have several programmers I can get a 2-25 u85 trac pac but I need to get it back Where are you located Let me know thanks tony For Ivan Stewarts off road > > The track pac should be 2-25 > > And non should be the 02-22 > > Pal16l8 is the chip -----Original Message----- From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of Fabrizio Vasile Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 2:02 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] leland off road pal dump needed u85 Hi, sadly there no available dump of these PAL around.I'm a contributor of this PAL database: www.jammarcade.net and we haven't them too.If someone could provide us the chip we would be happy to dump them P.S. Could you tell me the exact location on PCB and label of this PAL?Maybe they are share with other Leland games.Thanks. Il 16/03/2015 18:09, Tony htbs ha scritto: > Ivan Stewarts off road --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] leland off road pal dump needed u85
by Fabrizio Vasile 16 Mar '15

16 Mar '15

Il 16/03/2015 21:19, Clay Cowgill ha scritto: > Since it's an 16L8 (and not an 'R' or 'V') you don't have to worry about any > hidden internal states. Yes, sure, a PAL16L8 can't be registered (flip-flop or latches) but only combinatorial logic. > > Back around ~2003, Tim Lindquist and I reverse engineered the Capcom CPS2 B > board PALs. I made a little wiring adapter for the 16L8 to be read as a > 2716 EPROM. (Connect all the inputs to the 'address' lines and the outputs > to the 'data' lines.) Reading the "2716" produced a binary file of all the > possible input/output combinations. I extracted that as text and formatted > it in to ABEL table format like: > > PAL CONVERTER > ; Converting: cap_caw.bin... > [ 0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ] -> [ 0,1,0,1 ]; > [ 1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ] -> [ 0,1,0,1 ]; > [ 0,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ] -> [ 0,1,0,1 ]; > [ 1,1,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0 ] -> [ 0,1,0,1 ]; > ... > [ 0,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 ] -> [ 1,1,1,0 ]; > [ 1,0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 ] -> [ 1,1,1,0 ]; > [ 0,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 ] -> [ 1,1,1,0 ]; > [ 1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1,1 ] -> [ 1,1,1,0 ]; > > ...and then let the ABEL compiler reduce that to equations and a usable .JED > for burning new parts. A pretty much automatic process that didn't really > require any special 'pal cracking' capable hardware. > > The ABEL compiler also produced the intermediate equations which were much > more compact than the big tables-- for example, ~2000 lines of the above > stuff cooked down to: > > Y8 = (I4 & !I3 > # I8 & !I4 & I10 > # I4 & !I10 > # !I8 & I4 > # I7 > # I6 > # I5 > # I2 > # I1); > > Y6 = (I4 & I3 & I10 > # I4 & !I3 & !I10 > # I9 & I4 & I10 > # !I8 & !I4 & !I10 > # !I9 & !I8 & !I4 > # I8 & I4 > # !I7 > # I6 > # I5 > # I2 > # I1); > > Y4 = (I9 & I4 & !I3 > # I4 & !I3 & !I10 > # !I8 & I4 & I3 & I10 > # !I7 & I4 & !I3 > # !I7 & I4 & !I10 > # I8 & I7 & I4 > # I8 & !I7 & !I4 & I10 > # !I8 & I7 & !I4 & !I10 > # !I9 & !I8 & I7 & !I4 > # I6 > # I5 > # I2 > # I1); > > Y1 = (!I1); > > -Clay I was aware of this possibility of dumping PLD like a normal EPROM but there could be issue with some programmers. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of > Tony htbs > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 12:23 PM > To: 'Technical Tools Mail List' > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] leland off road pal dump needed u85 > > U85 is the chip location > I have the 2-22 u85 non track pac > can you dump it if I get it to you > Or can I dump it or get you a file > I have several programmers > I can get a 2-25 u85 trac pac but I need to get it back Where are you > located Let me know thanks tony > > > > > > For Ivan Stewarts off road >> The track pac should be 2-25 >> >> And non should be the 02-22 >> >> Pal16l8 is the chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of > Fabrizio Vasile > Sent: Monday, March 16, 2015 2:02 PM > To: Technical Tools Mail List > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] leland off road pal dump needed u85 > > Hi, sadly there no available dump of these PAL around.I'm a contributor of > this PAL database: > > www.jammarcade.net > > and we haven't them too.If someone could provide us the chip we would be > happy to dump them > > P.S. > Could you tell me the exact location on PCB and label of this PAL?Maybe they > are share with other Leland games.Thanks. > > Il 16/03/2015 18:09, Tony htbs ha scritto: >> Ivan Stewarts off road > > --- > Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. > http://www.avast.com > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > --- Questa e-mail è stata controllata per individuare virus con Avast antivirus. http://www.avast.com _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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leland off road pal dump needed u85
by Tony htbs 16 Mar '15

16 Mar '15

Any one have the pal dump off u85 For Ivan Stewarts off road The track pac should be 2-25 And non should be the 02-22 Pal16l8 is the chip Or how can I get it off mame ? I do not see and jed files in mame Thanks tony _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Kurz Kasch test fixture cards on eBay
by John Robertson 03 Mar '15

03 Mar '15

Coinopwarehouse has about 75 cards up for sale. I bought a few, and they are in good condition. Lloyd said most didn't come with documents, but he does include what he has. He will combine ship too. Worth looking at if you are rounding out your collection or want to trade with me sometime... stores.ebay.com/coinopwarehouse?_dmd=1&_nkw=kurz John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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9100FT Manual now on FTP
by John Robertson 03 Mar '15

03 Mar '15

Steve Larkins has very kindly uploaded a nice copy of the 9100FT Service Manual to TTL, I have dropped it into the Fluke/PDFs/9100_Fixture section. It is a very clean scan and includes a table of contents, thanks Steve! For those of you who don't know, the 9100FT was the faster version of the 9100A, and it had other features too - which I don't recall right now. Someone else can post that info. John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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MITS MITScope MS-416 Digital Oscilloscope
by Bill Karkula 28 Feb '15

28 Feb '15

I acquired one of these "digital oscilloscopes" in a recent test equipment lot I bought. Here is some info including a stock photo - mine is absent the AC adapter, manual, and internal Nicad pack. It was made by the same company (MITS) before they that made the Altair 8800 computer back in the mid '70s. I hooked it up to a power supply and it appears to work. Collecting vintage computer and test equipment is not my hobby but I can't find much detail about its value. I tried the Altair users group but and want $30 to join to post there but searching their group's existing messages had little information. Anyone have a link to a manual and any idea what this is worth? Thank you and Best, Bill http://www.vintagecomputer.net/altair-poptronics.cfm mitscope.jpg _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Atari System 2/DEC T11 CPU
by Chris Loggans via Techtoolslist 27 Feb '15

27 Feb '15

Does anyone know of a way to interface to the DEC T-11 CPU that is on the Atari System 2 boards? I'm looking for something like a Fluke POD to run RAM and ROM tests on the boards. Thanks,-Chris _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Fluke 9100ft - Rom V2_2
by Steve Larkins 21 Feb '15

21 Feb '15

Hello List, I just uploaded a zip file containing the rom from my Fluke9100ft which reports a boot rom v2.2 when booting but the actual label on the rom is V1.3. What does everyone else have? Cheers Steve Larkins _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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WTD: Fluke 9100a/ft network interface card.
by Steve Larkins 21 Feb '15

21 Feb '15

Hey list, Any chance someone might have one of these? I have trades or cash.. Cheers! -- Sent from my mobile device _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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