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Fwd: Promlink 6.1 and Data IO 29B basic operation
by Jose Luiz Martins 17 Mar '13

17 Mar '13

> Hi! > > Could someone help me please? > > I just made the cable and intalled the last version of promlink 6.1 for windows xp. > > Now i have no idea how it works. > > Could someone tell me some basic operation of it please? > > Thank you! > > JL _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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9010 Z-80 Pod Help needed
by Justin Johnson 16 Mar '13

16 Mar '13

Hi Guys, I'm hoping I can find some help fixing my Z-80 Pod. Here is the scoop and I will try to make this short. I purchased a Z-80 pod with the cables cut off. Found a new set of cables and tried a self test. The self test gave me the failure code 00. I then used a 40 pin socket and removed pin 29 as suggested in the manual and placed the socket on the pod pins and reinserted the 40 pin connector into the pod for a bus test. I then got a CTL ERR 00000000 00001000- LooP. As I understand it that shows an issue with driving bit 5. Am I correct that this is address and data line 5? I used my logic probe and probed the data lines of U4 or R6532AP. I found that pin 28 of U4 which is the R6532AP has Data line 5 low while the other data lines are high. Where do I go from here? Any help or suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Justin _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Kurz-Kasch part #0500021
by teeray 12 Mar '13

12 Mar '13

Looking for this rom code. It is part of the Kurz-Kasch TC-590-89 kit for Midway 8080 boards which consisted of 8080 module Clips B3, D3, E4 #0500021 - which is a small circuit board with the rom on it, that plugs into socket H all I need is a copy of the rom data. Thanks Tim _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Pod cables
by David Shoemaker 11 Mar '13

11 Mar '13

All this talk about cables has me wondering. Are there any places to buy new cables? _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] 9010 Z-80 Pod Help needed
by JJ 11 Mar '13

11 Mar '13

Thanks guys for the info and help I will get in contact with the seller and I hope he has the correct connection cable. Its nice to be able to have someone to bounce ideas and problems off of. My wife doesn't seem to enjoy talking about fluke pods and arcade boards for some reason. Thanks Justin Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Jose Luiz Martins <joseluizmartins(a)gmail.com> wrote: >I know it's not the main subject, but i have different part numbers cables. > >Z80QT 685461 twisted >6502 685479 twisted >8080 604769 flat - i have two each and didn't pass self test. >8085 685495 twisted > >I also have one 6509 but it is lost. > >JL >Em 10/03/2013 23:43, "Chris Loggans" <cloggans(a)yahoo.com> escreveu: > >> >> >> --- On Sun, 3/10/13, John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> wrote: >> >> > From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> >> > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] 9010 Z-80 Pod Help needed >> > To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> >> > Date: Sunday, March 10, 2013, 8:50 PM >> > Justin Johnson wrote: >> > > I swapped the Z80 and the 6532. Here is the >> > interesting part: When I swapped the Z80 no change but when >> > I swapped the 6532 pin 28 of U4 was now high. I >> > thought that was a good sign so I decided to run the self >> > test again and it failed. I then checked Pin 28 of U4 >> > again and it was low again. What I suspect is that >> > when I purchased the new cables for the POD the guy shipped >> > me a 8085 40 pin cable rather than the z-80 and pin 20 >> > of the cable grounded. When I ohm out the 40 pin cable pin >> > 20 is connected to the ground lug that goes to the screw on >> > the metal standoff. The number on the 40 pin cable is >> > 685495. Can someone verify the cable number is correct? >> > > >> > > Thanks >> > > >> > > Justin >> > > >> > According to the Z80 pod manual (up on the TTL archives) the >> > correct flat (not-twisted) cable (W2) is 585141 - the same >> > as the one used for the 6502 and 6802/8. >> > >> > The 6800 uses UUT cable 685479. >> > The 6809 & 8051 uses UUT (twisted) shielded cable >> > 680595 >> > The 8080 uses UUT cable 680603 >> > The Z80QT uses shielded UUT cable 685461 >> > The Z8000 uses shielded UUT cable 650432 >> > >> > The twisted pair UUT cables are NOT interchangeable due to >> > various pins being tied to ground. Not sure if the flat UUT >> > cables have shared grounded pins but I suspect so... >> > >> > John :-#)# >> >> I just checked some of my POD's and 685495 is the twisted pair cable for >> the 8085 POD. All of my Z80's have the twisted pair cable with the number >> John listed for the Z80QT: 685461. Just to add one more to the mix, I >> happened to be working on my 8080 POD's today and can say that all of my >> 8080 POD's have a twisted pair cable with the number 685487. >> >> Thanks, >> -Chris >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> >_______________________________________________ >Techtoolslist mailing list >Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment >Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] 9010 Z-80 Pod Help needed
by JJ 10 Mar '13

10 Mar '13

Mine has the twisted pair. Im guessing there is no way this could function as it would be pulling the unit under test z80 IORQ down to ground. Justin Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Rodger Boots <rlboots2(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Oh, crap. 8085 pod manual ALSO calls for a 585141 ribbon cable. This >appears to be the flat cable. The pod manuals don't give an alternate >number for the twisted pair style cable. > > >On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Rodger Boots <rlboots2(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> UUT ribbon cable is 585141 according to pod manual. >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Justin Johnson <rugd2go(a)comcast.net>wrote: >> >>> I swapped the Z80 and the 6532. Here is the interesting part: When I >>> swapped the Z80 no change but when I swapped the 6532 pin 28 of U4 was now >>> high. I thought that was a good sign so I decided to run the self test >>> again and it failed. I then checked Pin 28 of U4 again and it was low >>> again. What I suspect is that when I purchased the new cables for the POD >>> the guy shipped me a 8085 40 pin cable rather than the z-80 and pin 20 of >>> the cable grounded. When I ohm out the 40 pin cable pin 20 is connected to >>> the ground lug that goes to the screw on the metal standoff. The number on >>> the 40 pin cable is 685495. Can someone verify the cable number is correct? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mar 9, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Rodger Boots wrote: >>> >>> Probably a better chance of the Z80 being bad (or pin 20 not connected). >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 12:44 AM, Justin Johnson <rugd2go(a)comcast.net >>>> >wrote: >>>> >>>> I have a 6502 pod so I will try swapping the 6532 IC tomorrow and see >>>>> what >>>>> happens. If nothing else I can eliminate something. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks >>>>> >>>>> Justin >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mar 9, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Rodger Boots wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Rereading the original complaint it appears bit 3 (not bit 5) was >>>>> failing. >>>>> >>>>>> Bit 3 is IORQ (pin 20). >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 11:12 PM, David Shoemaker <davids(a)oz.net> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Sounds like replacing the 6532 is in order (it's an IO chip). Those >>>>>> are >>>>>> >>>>>>> used in all the pods I think so you could try a swap and see if that >>>>>>> fixes >>>>>>> the problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: techtoolslist-bounces(a)**flippe**rs.com <http://flippers.com>< >>>>>>> techtoolslist-bounces(a)**flippers.com<techtoolslist-bounces(a)flippers.com> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@****flippers.com<techtoolslist-** >>>>>>> bounces(a)flippers.com <techtoolslist-bounces(a)flippers.com>>] >>>>>>> On Behalf Of Justin Johnson >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 09, 2013 7:09 PM >>>>>>> To: Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >>>>>>> Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9010 Z-80 Pod Help needed >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm hoping I can find some help fixing my Z-80 Pod. Here is the scoop >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> will try to make this short. I purchased a Z-80 pod with the cables >>>>>>> cut >>>>>>> off. Found a new set of cables and tried a self test. The self test >>>>>>> gave >>>>>>> me the failure code 00. I then used a 40 pin socket and removed pin >>>>>>> 29 >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> suggested in the manual and placed the socket on the pod pins and >>>>>>> reinserted >>>>>>> the 40 pin connector into the pod for a bus test. I then got a CTL >>>>>>> ERR >>>>>>> 00000000 00001000- LooP. As I understand it that shows an issue with >>>>>>> driving bit 5. Am I correct that this is address and data line 5? I >>>>>>> used >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> logic probe and probed the data lines of U4 or R6532AP. I found that >>>>>>> pin >>>>>>> 28 >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> U4 which is the R6532AP has Data line 5 low while the other data >>>>>>> lines >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> high. Where do I go from here? Any help or suggestions would be >>>>>>> appreciated. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Justin >>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>>>>> Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >>>>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/****mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist<http://seven.pairlist.net/**mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist> >>>>>>> **<http://seven.pairlist.net/**mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist<http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist> >>>>>>> **> >>>>>>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/****Test_Equipment<ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/**Test_Equipment> >>>>>>> <ftp://ttl.**arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_**Equipment<ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/****pipermail/techtoolslist/<http://seven.pairlist.net/**pipermail/techtoolslist/> >>>>>>> <http:**//seven.pairlist.net/**pipermail/techtoolslist/<http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/> >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> 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HP 1650A Logic Analyzer
by Jose Luiz Martins 07 Mar '13

07 Mar '13

Hi Folks! Continuing to put back to life my old test equipment... I stored my HP 1650A Logic Analyzer in working order about 6 years ago. I bought it used - I think it was highly used once the screen has signs of burn on it. Yesterday, when I finished to fix my Fluke 9010A, I've decided to try the 1650A and nope... The power source clicks and the voltages are not correct. 7V instead of 12V, 4,5V instead of 5V and oscillating. I have not experience in PS repair, but someone told me that the electrolytic capacitors may be dry due the time it was stored (as well as de condition, one it was in Rio de Janeiro, and at summer time, the room temperature may be more them 120F) Could someone confirm that please ? Thank you very much ! JL _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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WTB Data IO UNIPAK or UNIPAK 2
by Jose Luiz Martins 07 Mar '13

07 Mar '13

Hi Folks! In case someone has one of these laying around... please let me know! Thanks JL _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Fwd: Fluke 9010A Display problem
by Jose Luiz Martins 05 Mar '13

05 Mar '13

Thanks John, After a close inspection, I realise that the display test was showing the number 8 on all segments. According to service manual the ICs 12 and 14 are responsible to drive the "internal part" of each segment, and the ICs 11 and 13 the "external part". A number 8 uses only "external" filaments and athe letter K, for instance, uses some "internal" ones. Put my scope on IC 14 and no action on output pins... Today i'll try to buy one mc14094bcp on some local store, and see what happens... Thank you guys! JL Enviado via iPad Em 03/03/2013, às 16:06, John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> escreveu: > John Robertson wrote: >> Jose Luiz Martins wrote: >>> Hi ! >>> >>> Today I've decided to put my 9010A back to work after 5 years. >>> >>> It boots OK, but the display is not showing some parts of some >>> letters. For instance the K and V looks like I. >>> >>> I opened and performed the display test, as mentioned on Workshop >>> manual, and everything seams to be right. >>> >>> Any clue on that ? >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> JL >>> ___ >> >> >> Haven't done the display test in years - does it check every segment? If so, and the segments all light up as they should then you may have a ROM issue where some of the ASCII code text in the text tables is defective. That is just a guess, you can check against the code on the ftp site to make sure the base ROMs are all good. >> >> Anyone else with a guess? >> >> John :-#)# > > Could be the decoder for the display, sounds like it handles individual segments OK, but may a problem with combinations needed to build letters... > > John :-#)# > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] RASTER: FW: Using 8080 pod on Midway 8080 boards (Space Invaders)
by John Robertson 04 Mar '13

04 Mar '13

David Shoemaker wrote: > The pod has a -1 CPU in it which should be good to 3 mhz the board is a > straight 8080a which should be 2mhz. But I tried it with the CPU from the > board just for completeness. No improvement. And the pod cpu works fine in > game. > > I have one board that will at least start up partially with the pod, but two > others that just error on Run UUT. > > It is really inconsistent. I think the way the memory system works the fluke > ram test will never work (strange timing and sync to get the game board > rotation stuff to coordinate access to ram). > > I have two of these pods, both use the flat ribbon. I tried subbing a > twisted ribbon from an 8085 pod but the pod fails self test (I suspect the > ground lead is mucking with something). > > I was testing an 8080 board only last year, but didn't get it booting, so it is sitting waiting for me to take another go. I can't recall doing the "Run" on any of the 8080 boards recently so haven't any better ideas at the moment... Perhaps someone else here has a suggestion? John :-#)# > -----Original Message----- > From: techtoolslist-bounces(a)flippers.com > [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson > Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2013 7:23 PM > To: techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] RASTER: FW: Using 8080 pod on Midway 8080 > boards (Space Invaders) > > David Shoemaker wrote: > >> So my mails to tech tools don't appear to be getting through. But this >> is a raster game so I will cross the stream. >> >> >> >> *From:* David Shoemaker [mailto:davids@oz.net] >> *Sent:* Saturday, February 16, 2013 12:20 AM >> *To:* 'Technical Tools Mail List' >> *Subject:* Using 8080 pod on Midway 8080 boards? >> >> >> >> I have a fully working space invaders board which when I hook the pod >> up to and do Run UUT doesn't, it starts up and crashes. >> >> >> >> Pod passes self test. >> >> >> >> Anyone ever done this? >> >> >> >> David >> >> > Try a faster 8080 CPU in the pod, or try substituting the 8080 from the game > in place of the pod CPU. It is possible the CPU is bad or slower than the > system can handle. > > Do you have the flat ribbon cable from the pod to the CPU socket or the > twisted pair cable? The twisted pair cable handles noise better and will > work in situations when the simple flat cable won't, plus it can be longer > as a result. > > David, I have no idea why this did not show up in TTL - you are subscribed > under the same email address as you posted here. I haven't seen any bounces > for your email address. > > John :-#)# > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ** Unsubscribe, subscribe, or view the archives at http://www.vectorlist.org > ** Please direct other questions, comments, or problems to chris(a)westnet.com > > _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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