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Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom Testing onOutrun- help please !!
by James Bright 10 Jun '10

10 Jun '10

The generated signatures probably aren't correctly for anything more than 8 bit systems. Or at least I don't guarantee it :-). JB ---------------------------------------- From: "Colin Davies" <colin.w.davies(a)btopenworld.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:11 PM To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom Testing onOutrun- help please !! I think the *main* thing that I need to get my head around when using the 68000 pod is that.... If I read 0 > xxxx I get the low (or high ?) 8 bits of the 16 bit data bus.. (0 > xxxx) and If I read 1 > xxxx +1 , I get the other 8 bits of the 16 bit data bus.. ( 0 > xxxx) Is that right ? - am I understanding this correctly ? or do I need to double the xxxx value to take care of the step of 2 ? (or am I just generally going nuts ?) Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Davies" <colin.w.davies(a)btopenworld.com> To: <ayeckley(a)sierralobo.com>; "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom Testing onOutrun- help please !! > I'll look into the checksums... there was a tool to generate ' FLUKE' > style checksums , that I used a couple of years ago on and it worked... I > assume QA has ran them through this algorithm.. > > I'm 99% sure it's the correct rom revision/s (as its printed on the > Label/s) but I could pull and read in..... > > Outrun is not protected (Turbo Outrun is with an encrypted cpu) , but > there is a custom chip that sits on the CPU bus's that handles a few > things, However the address and data bus to the rams and roms come > straight from the CPU....... Maybe I've chosen something tricky to > start with ? > > I'm just hoping that its noob finger trouble and lack of understanding > thats the isssue here, lol !! > > Regards, Colin > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alex Yeckley" <ayeckley(a)sierralobo.com> > To: "'Technical Tools Mail List'" <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> > Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:06 PM > Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom Testing on > Outrun- help please !! > > >> >Now these are 64k Roms x 8 bits each...... but I'm unable to run ROM >> >tests >>>here..... It fails on checksum....!!!!!!!!!! >> >> Initial thoughts: Are QuarterArcade's checksum values verified? >> Different >> ROM rev perhaps? Any copy protection used on OutRun? >> >> Alex >> ---- >> ayeckley(a)elektronforge.com >> www.elektronforge.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom TestingonOutrun- help please !!
by James Bright 10 Jun '10

10 Jun '10

They're interchangeable. JB ---------------------------------------- From: "Adam Courchesne" <ajcrm125(a)gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 7:59 AM To: "Andrew Welburn" <andy(a)andysarcade.net>, "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom TestingonOutrun- help please !! Are 9010A (or the 9000 series) pods compatable with the 9100A system? Or does it require separate pods? _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom Testing on Outrun - help please !!
by James Bright 09 Jun '10

09 Jun '10

I'm still 30 at heart!!! JB ---------------------------------------- From: "John Robertson" <jrr(a)flippers.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:41 PM To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist(a)flippers.com> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom Testing on Outrun - help please !! Alex Yeckley wrote: >> Now these are 64k Roms x 8 bits each...... but I'm unable to run ROM tests >> here..... It fails on checksum....!!!!!!!!!! >> > > Initial thoughts: Are QuarterArcade's checksum values verified? Different > ROM rev perhaps? Any copy protection used on OutRun? > > Alex > ---- > ayeckley(a)elektronforge.com > www.elektronforge.com > > I like to write down the first few bytes (reading from burner or file copy) of any Eprom I am looking at with the Fluke 9010 so I can do a simple Fluke READ at the location I think the Eprom is at - then check the next few locations against the known contents of the Eprom (file) to verify that I have most likely found the Eprom memory location to run the Signature test. This is done after a Buss Test to make sure no control lines are held Hi/Lo that shouldn't be, and probably a RAM test to make sure that the address and data lines are toggling happily... The way to double check your Eprom Signature (remember that the Fluke 9010 uses Flukes own Signature, not Checksums for Eprom/ROM/PROMs unless you activate the Pod's Quick Test (if available)) is to read the Eprom on your burner, store the file, then generate the Signature using the ROM section of the FIDE Software section of: http://tech.quarterarcade.com/tech/ Very handy program, and thanks as always to James for hosting that! James, you might want to update your page: http://www.quarterarcade.com/Content/Articles/Confessions.aspx as it was written in 2001 when you just turned 30... John ;-#)# _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Rom needed for Data I/O 303A-011A V01 Module
by Matthew Rossiter 04 Jun '10

04 Jun '10

Hi All, I have a Data I/O 303A-011A V01 module <http://sturgeon.css.psu.edu/%7Emloewen/Oldtech/Test/DataIO-1L.jpg> and it seems to work fine, but there's a ROM missing at U7. I believe there should be four 27256 eproms. Does anyone happen to have V01 of this module with four roms? I'm trying to confirm if it only needs 3 roms or if I can get someone to send me the data for the missing rom. It should be 324-1725-007. By the way, I'm also looking for V18 roms as well if someone could help a brother out. ;-) I looked on ftp.flippers.com but I can't seem to find those particular roms. Unless I'm blind. Thanks! Matt _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Repost: Wanted: Arium ML4100 options
by Bill Sudbrink 04 Jun '10

04 Jun '10

Reposting this because I never really got any answer before and I see that Mr. Robertson is active on the list now and (based on various UseNet posts from a few years ago) I think he knows a good bit about the ML4100. --------------------------------------------------- I have an ML4100 that has and is serving me well. I have most of the various pods and ROMs for it and duplicates of many of them. Two things I'm missing (based on my reading of the documents) are an RE-016 ROM emulator (with RS-232 interface) and an AB-032 non-volatile memory. Anybody have either of these that they might be convinced part with for trade or cash? Non-working would be fine. I enjoy troubleshooting. Alternatively, any explanations of why they are not very useful or worth having at all would also be of interest. Thanks, Bill Sudbrink

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FA: 9100 Probe - only $1750! Shipping?
by John Robertson 03 Jun '10

03 Jun '10

That's free in the US, but only $347.42US to Canada, $606.73US to the UK... Great deal for someone I'm sure. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=310224250147 Not mine (right - I'm crazy?), sometimes these eBay searches turn up the darndest things. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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Chip Programmers
by Kevin Moore 02 Jun '10

02 Jun '10

If money were no object, and you needed something that would program just about darn near everything. Pals, Gals, PLD's, Old TI eproms, newer eproms. What would you get? Kevin _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist(a)flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/

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