If money were no object, and you needed something that would program just about darn near everything. Pals, Gals, PLD's, Old TI eproms, newer eproms. What would you get? Kevin _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
I'd be looking at the top-end of the Elnec range - http://www.elnec.com/. The nicer models seem to be FPGA driven so very upgradeable, the software is nice and very well supported too. I've got a Smartprog2 which is nice but misses out the TTL/RAM testing features (with a device ID check locking out the features in software, so it's possible to hack around it[1]). You'd have to spend a bit of time on the supported device list but the hardware design is such that pretty much anything can be supported. If you supply them with a couple of blanks and a datasheet they will also add progger support. I believe this may exist only whilst your device is under warranty though. cheers tim [1] My first elnec was bought via ebay and was a top-end model that did everything including RAM/TTL/Test vectors. After a couple of months the latest progger software was installed and wiped the FPGA. It turned out the device was a chinese bootleg and elnec disabled it. I eventually obtained a refund from the ebay seller and bought a BK Precision 844USB which is a rebadged elnec, but a slightly less capable model than the bootleg I'd initially bought. Elnec wanted me to spend about £600 to replace my boot with an official version which I thought was too much given my limited requirements, so I went for a model a couple of steps down. And even though this is considered a "lite" version, it's rock solid and has never refused to blow any EPROM) On 2 June 2010 16:59, Kevin Moore <talon.k@gmail.com> wrote:
If money were no object, and you needed something that would program just about darn near everything. Pals, Gals, PLD's, Old TI eproms, newer eproms.
What would you get?
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I've been looking at this one as well. XPRO-5000, not the E http://www.logicaldevices.com/ On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 11:25 AM, Tim Matthews <trmatthe@gmail.com> wrote:
I'd be looking at the top-end of the Elnec range - http://www.elnec.com/. The nicer models seem to be FPGA driven so very upgradeable, the software is nice and very well supported too. I've got a Smartprog2 which is nice but misses out the TTL/RAM testing features (with a device ID check locking out the features in software, so it's possible to hack around it[1]). You'd have to spend a bit of time on the supported device list but the hardware design is such that pretty much anything can be supported.
If you supply them with a couple of blanks and a datasheet they will also add progger support. I believe this may exist only whilst your device is under warranty though.
cheers tim
[1] My first elnec was bought via ebay and was a top-end model that did everything including RAM/TTL/Test vectors. After a couple of months the latest progger software was installed and wiped the FPGA. It turned out the device was a chinese bootleg and elnec disabled it. I eventually obtained a refund from the ebay seller and bought a BK Precision 844USB which is a rebadged elnec, but a slightly less capable model than the bootleg I'd initially bought. Elnec wanted me to spend about £600 to replace my boot with an official version which I thought was too much given my limited requirements, so I went for a model a couple of steps down. And even though this is considered a "lite" version, it's rock solid and has never refused to blow any EPROM)
On 2 June 2010 16:59, Kevin Moore <talon.k@gmail.com> wrote:
If money were no object, and you needed something that would program just about darn near everything. Pals, Gals, PLD's, Old TI eproms, newer eproms.
What would you get?
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I second this (the elnec) - I have the Dataman-48PRO+ which is basically the same thing under a different name. http://www.dataman.com/WebPages/ProductView.aspx?pid=627 I've sent them quite a few devices to add including the 82S114/5, PLS153, several different variations of static rams simply for testing, and others. The support team is great to work with. I have to throw in a big BUT though. You need an expensive adapter to do 2708's and TMS2716's and you need an expensive power supply upgrade for *some* bipolar proms - I haven't had to do that yet. It's great for going through a pile of TTL and static ram pulls and weeding out the flakey ones. The programmer can fit nicely in your desk drawer too. :) The best bang for your buck would still have to be the Data I/O 29B with the unipak if you just want to burn your typical video game roms and bipolar proms. Matt On 6/2/2010 9:25 AM, Tim Matthews wrote:
I'd be looking at the top-end of the Elnec range - http://www.elnec.com/. The nicer models seem to be FPGA driven so very upgradeable, the software is nice and very well supported too. I've got a Smartprog2 which is nice but misses out the TTL/RAM testing features (with a device ID check locking out the features in software, so it's possible to hack around it[1]). You'd have to spend a bit of time on the supported device list but the hardware design is such that pretty much anything can be supported.
If you supply them with a couple of blanks and a datasheet they will also add progger support. I believe this may exist only whilst your device is under warranty though.
cheers tim
[1] My first elnec was bought via ebay and was a top-end model that did everything including RAM/TTL/Test vectors. After a couple of months the latest progger software was installed and wiped the FPGA. It turned out the device was a chinese bootleg and elnec disabled it. I eventually obtained a refund from the ebay seller and bought a BK Precision 844USB which is a rebadged elnec, but a slightly less capable model than the bootleg I'd initially bought. Elnec wanted me to spend about £600 to replace my boot with an official version which I thought was too much given my limited requirements, so I went for a model a couple of steps down. And even though this is considered a "lite" version, it's rock solid and has never refused to blow any EPROM)
On 2 June 2010 16:59, Kevin Moore<talon.k@gmail.com> wrote:
If money were no object, and you needed something that would program just about darn near everything. Pals, Gals, PLD's, Old TI eproms, newer eproms.
What would you get?
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I have a Dataman-48PRO+ now as well. When it came to the expensive adapter for the 2708's though, I phoned them up, asked them a couple of questions, explained that I was already pushing my budget as it was for hobby use and by the time I'd umm'd and arr'd a bit they knocked it down by half price (the adapter not the programmer), thus making it nowhere near as expensive :) That set's then aside for starters in my books. Some companies switch off the minute they realise you're a hobbyist. They did the opposite! Anyway, I guess that's not really an "if money were no object" programmer as it's only £700 (+17.5% VAT incidentally), but it's still pricey. Martin. PS: I honestly thought the new device addition thing was free for life as I remember asking whose life, mine or the programmers :) (the programmers obviously!) On 2 Jun 2010, at 19:39, Matthew Rossiter wrote:
I second this (the elnec) - I have the Dataman-48PRO+ which is basically the same thing under a different name. http://www.dataman.com/WebPages/ProductView.aspx?pid=627 I've sent them quite a few devices to add including the 82S114/5, PLS153, several different variations of static rams simply for testing, and others. The support team is great to work with. I have to throw in a big BUT though. You need an expensive adapter to do 2708's and TMS2716's and you need an expensive power supply upgrade for *some* bipolar proms - I haven't had to do that yet. It's great for going through a pile of TTL and static ram pulls and weeding out the flakey ones. The programmer can fit nicely in your desk drawer too. :)
The best bang for your buck would still have to be the Data I/O 29B with the unipak if you just want to burn your typical video game roms and bipolar proms.
Matt
On 6/2/2010 9:25 AM, Tim Matthews wrote:
I'd be looking at the top-end of the Elnec range - http://www.elnec.com/. The nicer models seem to be FPGA driven so very upgradeable, the software is nice and very well supported too. I've got a Smartprog2 which is nice but misses out the TTL/RAM testing features (with a device ID check locking out the features in software, so it's possible to hack around it[1]). You'd have to spend a bit of time on the supported device list but the hardware design is such that pretty much anything can be supported.
If you supply them with a couple of blanks and a datasheet they will also add progger support. I believe this may exist only whilst your device is under warranty though.
cheers tim
[1] My first elnec was bought via ebay and was a top-end model that did everything including RAM/TTL/Test vectors. After a couple of months the latest progger software was installed and wiped the FPGA. It turned out the device was a chinese bootleg and elnec disabled it. I eventually obtained a refund from the ebay seller and bought a BK Precision 844USB which is a rebadged elnec, but a slightly less capable model than the bootleg I'd initially bought. Elnec wanted me to spend about £600 to replace my boot with an official version which I thought was too much given my limited requirements, so I went for a model a couple of steps down. And even though this is considered a "lite" version, it's rock solid and has never refused to blow any EPROM)
On 2 June 2010 16:59, Kevin Moore<talon.k@gmail.com> wrote:
If money were no object, and you needed something that would program just about darn near everything. Pals, Gals, PLD's, Old TI eproms, newer eproms.
What would you get?
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Hi Matt, What software do you use for the Dataman? Is it branded Elnec? I believe I got a download link from BK Precision but I knew it was an Elnec rebadge so I just kept my original software. I was wondering whether the device lists are significantly different between the two if they have their own branded ver. I do also have a Data IO 29b for the old stuff :) I forgot to mention that. cheers tim On 2 June 2010 19:39, Matthew Rossiter <matt@rossiters.com> wrote:
I second this (the elnec) - I have the Dataman-48PRO+ which is basically the same thing under a different name. http://www.dataman.com/WebPages/ProductView.aspx?pid=627
On 6/2/2010 9:25 AM, Tim Matthews wrote:
I'd be looking at the top-end of the Elnec range - http://www.elnec.com/.
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This is what the main MAME dumper uses to read stuff: http://guru.mameworld.info/MyStuff/index.html You can see what he can dump here: http://guru.mameworld.info/MyStuff/packages.html Pretty impressive. Joe --- On Wed, 6/2/10, Kevin Moore <talon.k@gmail.com> wrote: From: Kevin Moore <talon.k@gmail.com> Subject: [Techtoolslist] Chip Programmers To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:59 AM If money were no object, and you needed something that would program just about darn near everything. Pals, Gals, PLD's, Old TI eproms, newer eproms. What would you get? Kevin _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
If money were no object, and you needed something that would program just about darn near everything. Pals, Gals, PLD's, Old TI eproms, newer eproms.
What would you get?
I'd probably uprgade to the latest BP-- http://www.bpmmicro.com/1710.html I have a couple of the older BP-1200's and they've been flawless over the last ~10+ years. Just for fun I requested pricing on the 1710. I suspect it will be in "pretty nice used car" range. ;-) -Clay _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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