January 2000 - TechToolsList - listserv.classicarcade.com

Re: What is this?
by Coinop2000＠aol.com 19 Jan '00

19 Jan '00

Hey Mike. I have a large supply of new 4116 RAM and was wanting to do some trades. Are you up for any RAM-for-repair type trades? thanks Dave

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test, again ignore
by John Robertson 18 Jan '00

18 Jan '00

Sorry, but I am trying to unbreak the logging... John :-#(# John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out."

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8086 pod for fluke?
by Noel Johnson 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

Hello All, I am about to obtain an 8086 pod for a fluke 9010. Did any arcade games use the 8086 or am I going to have to trade this puppy away?? Thanks! Noel

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Re: 8086 pod for fluke?
by Mark Shostak 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> > Hate to sound rude, but the early IBM's were 8086...check this link: > > http://www.mkdata.dk/click/module3a2.htm#8086komp It's not rude; however, it's incorrect. In a past life, I repaired PCs and XTs to the component level; they are 8088. Plus, the only reference I saw at that URL was: >These instructions were originally written for the Intel 8086 processor, >which founded the concept "the IBM compatible PC." The 8086 from 1978 >received its instructions in a certain format. The PC's INSTRUCTIONS are 8086 compatible, but the pins on the CPU are not. Check out: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~alexios/MACHINE-ROOM/IBM_PC.html under "CPU". -Mark > > John :-#)# > > At 01:18 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >Actually, the original PC, XT and clones were all 8088 as well. > > > >Sounds like a "trader" to me. > > > >---------- > > > From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> > > > To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > > > Subject: Re: 8086 pod for fluke? > > > Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 1:09 AM > > > > > > Then the only thing the 8086 pod is good for is fixing old IBM PC's, or > > > XT's or clones of them...not too useful I suspect... > > > > > > John :-#(# > > > > > > At 12:50 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > Didn't Gottlieb use the 8086 for games like Q-Bert, Reactor and > > others? Or > > > > > was it the 8088...? > > > > > > > >8088 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John :-#)# > > > > > > > > > > At 12:09 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > >Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > >I am about to obtain an 8086 pod for a fluke 9010. Did any arcade > > games > > > > > >use the 8086 or am I going to have to trade this puppy away?? > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > >Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > > > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > > > > http://www.flippers.com > > > > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > > http://www.flippers.com > > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." >

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Re: 8086 pod for fluke?
by Mark Shostak 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

Mainly industrial computers from the '70s. I seem to recall seeing at least one game that used it. I just can't remember which. What did Rotten8 use? (or was that Rotation8) ---------- > From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> > To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > Subject: Re: 8086 pod for fluke? > Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 2:08 AM > > Opps....ok, back under the rock for me...it was the 8088 in the IBM PC/XT. > Dang...did ANYTHING use the 8086? > > John :-#(# > > At 01:48 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> > > > Hate to sound rude, but the early IBM's were 8086...check this link: > > > > > > http://www.mkdata.dk/click/module3a2.htm#8086komp > > > >It's not rude; however, it's incorrect. > >In a past life, I repaired PCs and XTs > >to the component level; they are 8088. > > > >Plus, the only reference I saw at that URL was: > > > > >These instructions were originally written for the Intel 8086 > > processor, >which founded > >the concept "the IBM compatible PC." The 8086 from 1978 >received its > >instructions in a > >certain format. > > > >The PC's INSTRUCTIONS are 8086 compatible, > >but the pins on the CPU are not. > > > >Check out: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~alexios/MACHINE-ROOM/IBM_PC.html > >under "CPU". > > > >-Mark > > > > > > > > John :-#)# > > > > > > At 01:18 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Actually, the original PC, XT and clones were all 8088 as well. > > > > > > > >Sounds like a "trader" to me. > > > > > > > >---------- > > > > > From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> > > > > > To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > > > > > Subject: Re: 8086 pod for fluke? > > > > > Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 1:09 AM > > > > > > > > > > Then the only thing the 8086 pod is good for is fixing old IBM PC's, or > > > > > XT's or clones of them...not too useful I suspect... > > > > > > > > > > John :-#(# > > > > > > > > > > At 12:50 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > Didn't Gottlieb use the 8086 for games like Q-Bert, Reactor and > > > > others? Or > > > > > > > was it the 8088...? > > > > > > > > > > > >8088 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John :-#)# > > > > > > > > > > > > > > At 12:09 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > > > > > > >Hello All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I am about to obtain an 8086 pod for a fluke 9010. Did any > > arcade > > > > games > > > > > > > >use the 8086 or am I going to have to trade this puppy away?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > > > > > >Noel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > > > > > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > > > > > > http://www.flippers.com > > > > > > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > > > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > > > > http://www.flippers.com > > > > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > > http://www.flippers.com > > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." >

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Re: 8086 pod for fluke?
by Mark Shostak 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

Actually, the original PC, XT and clones were all 8088 as well. Sounds like a "trader" to me. ---------- > From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> > To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > Subject: Re: 8086 pod for fluke? > Date: Monday, January 17, 2000 1:09 AM > > Then the only thing the 8086 pod is good for is fixing old IBM PC's, or > XT's or clones of them...not too useful I suspect... > > John :-#(# > > At 12:50 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > > Didn't Gottlieb use the 8086 for games like Q-Bert, Reactor and others? Or > > > was it the 8088...? > > > >8088 > > > > > > > > > > John :-#)# > > > > > > At 12:09 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > > > >Hello All, > > > > > > > >I am about to obtain an 8086 pod for a fluke 9010. Did any arcade games > > > >use the 8086 or am I going to have to trade this puppy away?? > > > > > > > >Thanks! > > > >Noel > > > > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > > > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > > > http://www.flippers.com > > > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." > > > > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." >

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Re: 8086 pod for fluke?
by Mark Shostak 17 Jan '00

17 Jan '00

> Didn't Gottlieb use the 8086 for games like Q-Bert, Reactor and others? Or > was it the 8088...? 8088 > > John :-#)# > > At 12:09 AM 1/17/2000 -0600, you wrote: > >Hello All, > > > >I am about to obtain an 8086 pod for a fluke 9010. Did any arcade games > >use the 8086 or am I going to have to trade this puppy away?? > > > >Thanks! > >Noel > > > John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 > Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) > http://www.flippers.com > "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." >

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RE: Signature Analyzers
by James Marous 15 Jan '00

15 Jan '00

On the subject of KK units.... I have a KK ROM tester, no documentation, it just has 2 rows of machine pin sockets on the top and inputs for the sig analysis connections. I always assumed is just calculates sigs on the ROMs, but I never really knew, or used it for that matter. Anyone know about this one? I also picked up a Bugtrap DRAM tester on Fleabay for $10, works great. Does everything down to 4116s... It is configurable for the timing and everything. Works great for me, as my current eprom burner/chip tester doesn't handle triple power supply parts. If you get a chance to grab one, I would definitely go for it. I think it's the Bugtrap model 8000. James -----Original Message----- From: Kev [mailto:KKlopp@EROLS.COM] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 3:20 PM To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com Subject: Re: Signature Analyzers > For some dumb reason I have several of them, I have the HP 5004 and 5006, a > bug trap sig analyzer and a Kurz Kasch model. All are basically about the > same, at least as much as I use them. Honestly, I find I seldom use > signature analysis. About the only time it really comes in handy is working > on vector mathboxes. But it's nice to have it for well documented projects, > like the cinematronics boards. > > James Gosh I thought I was the only "dummy" with 3 sig analyzers in the house. I've got the Bugtrap (My personal favorite) Kurz Kash and the Cat Box. If anyone is interested in the KK box I'll sell it or trade it. I've also go the KK eprom copier & several modules if anyone has any need for that (read vintage equipment). My use of a SA? Well I was fighting enough with Bally pinball boards MPU 17 & 35 that I went thru & did some SA. I started to do Pac-Man but the buffering circuits complicates SA implimentation. I have used the SA on Pac-Man to catch funky 74ls161's in the timing section. This is a rare case where a using an O-scope the way I do (probe, see if the signal is full range & looks "normal") would not have found the faulty 74ls161, since the outputs were toggling & appeared to work, they just were not correct. I have unsuccefully SA a Battlezone Math box before. The SA is an okay tool, it will be more powerful the more people document & share Signatures. I'd take an O-scope of a SA any day but the SA is cheaper and depending on your focus not a bad tool. Kev mowerman(a)erols.com http://www.erols.com/mowerman

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RE: Fluke replacement??
by Chris Loggans 15 Jan '00

15 Jan '00

If you hook the logic analyzer to the data lines on the CPU, the disassembler can recognize the binary words as CPU instructions and actually print out the instructions as they are executed. I've never done this so I'm not exactly sure when it would be useful since there are easier ways to read the source code. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: Noel Johnson To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com Sent: 1/14/00 7:36 PM Subject: Re: Fluke replacement?? Chris Loggans wrote: > > That link is for a logic analyzer which is slightly different from the > function of the Fluke 9010. The equipment you found is more like a > Tektronics 1240/1241 or an HP 1650. The Fluke controls the board from the > CPU socket, where as a logic analyzer simply reads the binary outputs at > various points on the board. > > -Chris Interesting! (I am still very much a newbie at this stuff) :-) The ad does mention: Optional disassemblers for popular microprocessors (Z80, 8031/8051, 8085, 8086, 8088, 6502) What do these do? Thanks, Noel

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RE: Fluke replacement??
by Chris Loggans 15 Jan '00

15 Jan '00

That link is for a logic analyzer which is slightly different from the function of the Fluke 9010. The equipment you found is more like a Tektronics 1240/1241 or an HP 1650. The Fluke controls the board from the CPU socket, where as a logic analyzer simply reads the binary outputs at various points on the board. -Chris -----Original Message----- From: Noel Johnson To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com Sent: 1/14/00 6:51 PM Subject: Fluke replacement?? While wandering around the net last night I stumbled accross this: http://elexp.com/tst_ta32.htm Could this be a modern day equivalent to the Fluke 9010? Opinions? Course you'd have to mortgage the Quantum to buy one... :-( Noel

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