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9010A tricks
by Kev 21 Mar '02

21 Mar '02

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Re: 16-bit EPROM programming
by Electronicamuse＠aol.com 19 Mar '02

19 Mar '02

Hi Guys, sorry to change the long running topic of Fluke 9010A projects, but I thought that somebody might have an answer. I need to program 4mb 16-bit EPROMs. I have a Data I/O Unisite, but I can't get it out of Self Test. Data I/O was no help. I also have Data I/O 29B with 2B and a ton of other adapters, but I think that I would need an updates BIOS to run larger than 27c512, right? Any hacks available for those? I knew one company selling upgrades, but it was a small fortune. I also have a PB-10 with 210 adapter, but the 210 doesn't work. Needham's was no help and concluded that my programmer was bad. So, I bought another PB-10 and new cable. Both work with 8-bit, but neither with 16-bit with 210 adapter. I have seen a few companies selling generic 8-bot to 16-bit adapters for around $95, but is there any plans to build your own. thanks Dave

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9010A bare bones program V2
by Kev 07 Mar '02

07 Mar '02

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List is DOWN
by John Robertson 06 Mar '02

06 Mar '02

Sorry guys, the list is down temporarily. I appear to be the only person that can post to it at the moment. You can contact me at pinball(a)telus.net if required.. If you want to post something to the list, send it to me, and I'll post it. Assume this process will work as you are reading this message/... ;-) John :-#)# grrr email....grrr

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RE: Replace the 9010A base with an IBM Parallel port?
by John Robertson 06 Mar '02

06 Mar '02

(resending, just in case this did not get out - I've been having issues with Flippers.com email... grrr....) More results: Great, when you do a First READ on the pod, you get a RESET to the pod, and a bunch of chatter: READ FE55 = 31: 30 35 REAL LONG PAUSE ... RESET AB 36 38 30 32 20 20 PAUSE FOR (about) TWO CYCLES(2P) 24 01 00 00 00 00 00 00 FF FF (P) (P) (P) 00 00 00 00 (P) FF FF FF FE (P) 00 00 08 00 30 (P) 4D 52 20 20 20 20 P P P P 48 41 4C 54 20 20 P P P 0E 00 06 30 00 LONG PAUSE HERE.....PERHAPS 10 TIME UNITS THEN 30 35 55 31 00 Now I'll try to do some more reads...This is exactly the order as entered... Read @ Location Data Softla results (Start byte, command byte, high address, low address, data read, Stop) N MP MP MP MP MP ( N means no handshaking, M is MAINSTAT & P is PODSTAT) 4567 FF = 5A 35 45 67 FF 00 89AB FF = 53 35 89 AB FF 00 0001 00 = AB 35 00 01 00 00 Write @ Loc. Data N MP MP MP MP 0101 AA = 01 23 01 AA 00 MP 2055 56 = AA 33 20 55 56 00 0101 43 = 56 33 01 01 43 00 Read... N MP MP MP MP MP 2055 FF = 43 35 20 55 FF 00 F808 FF = 55 35 F8 08 FF 00 F9AB FF = 08 35 F9 AB FF 00 FDEA FC = AB 35 FD EA FC 00 I think I now see the pattern for reads/writes. The first byte is the LAST DATA, note that the timing for that is such that MAINSTAT and PODSTAT have done nothing until the second byte. I suspect the 1st data byte is there for the REPEAT function...so lets try that... Repeat... N MP MP MP FDEA FC = EA 05 FC 00 Repeat... FDEA FC = 05 05 FC 00 Repeat... FDEA FC = 05 05 FC 00 OK, for REPEAT the first Byte (again before M or Podstat) is 1st the last data,then the last instruction. Now lets try a write again... Write... N MP MP MP MP MP 0123 45 = 05 33 01 23 45 00 0123 66 = 45 03 66 00 (much shorter for a second write to the same address!) Thus 03 is "Same Address Write" Read... N MP MP MP MP 0124 00 = 66 15 24 00 00 (hmmm looks like "15" is read increment(?) to next byte. let's test... 0125 00 = 24 15 25 00 00 (now lets skip a few...) 012F 00 = 25 15 2F 00 00 (and a few more...) 0138 00 = 2F 15 38 00 00 (lets shift up a little ways...) 0238 FF = 38 25 02 FF 00 (interesting...seems to latch the 38, ok, lets change both a bit) 0339 EF = 02 35 03 39 EF 00 (OK, it caught that, "35" might mean "new address read") I think the pattern that is coming out is something close to this X3 = write, X5 = read, if X = 0 then same address, if X = 1, then same address high byte, if X = 2 then latch low address byte, if X = 3 new address bytes. Yes, this looks right so far... TIMING The very first byte is BEFORE you get any handshaking...then you get MAINSTAT, then shortly after you get PODSTAT which ends just after MAINSTAT ends, then the remaining handshaking has POD end with MAIN. Boy I wish this had time marks... John :-#)# ...:56 AM 05/03/2002 -0800, John Robertson wrote: >>Read @ Location Data Softla results (Start byte, command byte, >>high address, low address, data read, Stop) > > 0208 FF = 00 35 02 08 FF 00 > 0505 EF = 99 35 05 05 EF 00 > 1050 FF = 13 35 10 50 FF 00 > FE55 31 = 00 35 FE 55 31 00 > >Got it! the first data byte seems to grab the pods attention, often a 00, >but perhaps (?) not that important, but it certainly looks like a Clean >(no other read action in front) Read is "35" then the address and the >resulting data. It appears that multiple reads change the communication >with the pod in the sense that if you take two reads (different locations) >in a row the command string is different. Stay tuned this evening when I >dig into more reads and test the writes. > >John :-#)# > > >> 0000 AA = 00 23 00 AA 00 (result) >> 0101 FE = 00 21 00 FE 00 >> 0200 EF = 01 35 02 00 EF >> 00(result - a little longer this time...) >> 0300 EF = 00 26 03 EF 00 >> 8000 EF = 02 26 80 EF 00 >> C000 FF = 80 26 C0 FF 00 >> F800 FF = C0 26 F8 FF 00 >> FC00 8E = F8 26 FC 8E 00 >> FC05 8D = FC 16 05 8D 00 >> FCEE EE = 05 16 CC EE 00 >> 0200 EF = CC 35 02 EF 00 (same >> length as others now...) >> 0000 AA = 00 23 00 AA 00 >> >>Now I'll try some writes: >>Write @ Location Data (results) >> 0000 55 = 00 03 55 00 >> 0100 AA = 55 25 01 AA 00 >> 0200 AA = CC 23 02 AA 00 >> 8000 44 = CC 23 80 44 00 >> EF08 11 = 0C 33 EF 08 11 00 >> (longer) >> >>Well, that's all for tonight, I'm getting tired... >> >>John :-#()#

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Re: Replace the 9010A base with an IBM Parallel port?
by Kev 06 Mar '02

06 Mar '02

Well it is an interesting idea but base (9005, 9010A, 9020 & 9100) units are not too difficult to buy yet (compared to certain pods). I don't think there would be much profit motive, unless someone was to reproduce the pods also. Anyone remember the RATBOX project. Don't get me wrong John (or anyone else), I'd love to see the project move forward, but I'd rather see progress on the Z8002 interface now which is non existant versus work on a "available" unit replacement. Does anyone have a DUMP of the PROM in the Z8002 interface for a CAT Box? Kev > >Looking over the requirements and commands for the pod, I think it is >"possible" to use the parallel port to handle data transfer and >handshaking. There are only a few interface lines "MainStat" (MS), >"PodStat" (PS), "Reset" (R), "Sync" (S), and "Power Fail" (PF). And 8 data >lines... > >Now most of these lines are run through a 6520 (similar if not identical to >a 6821 PIA), thus the data lines and control lines MS, PS, PF and R all >come out of the PIA. Thus NONE of these are very fast at all! I strongly >suspect the ECC Parallel port can handle them, now there remains, Sync, and >I don't know how fast it runs, but it is for timing the Probe and Probe >Signature generator and is not used anywhere else. Perhaps we can ignore it >for now....it appears to run at 1/2 the pod Z80 write speed, but I'll have >to check that further. > >So, we need some bright person to handle the software, the hardware looks >like, well just a jumper cable with some power (+5, +12 and -5) and the -5 >could be created with a simple 555 driving a small negative bridge >recitifer. Looks like minimal current, in fact as far as I can see (at >least for the Z80 pod) the -5 is only to bias the voltage sense circuit. > >Comments? Is ANYONE interested in this? I'mm not getting a lot of feedback >on these ideas I'm chucking out into the void... > >John :-#)# >

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Kev Test - (rest of you please ignore....)
by John Robertson 05 Mar '02

05 Mar '02

Kev, can you see this??? John :-#)#

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Re: Guided Fault...
by John Robertson 05 Mar '02

05 Mar '02

Went faster than I thought. Only a few typos, it now compiles and I have posted it to the web ftp page @ ftp.flippers.com in the FLUKE section. Take it away!!! John :-#)# At 10:00 PM 04/03/2002 +0000, Peter Fyfe wrote: >Guys, > >I've type up programs 23 to 27 and sent them to John. Hopefully that should >be us covered. > >Regards > >Peter > >----- Original Message ----- >From: John Robertson <jrr(a)flippers.com> >To: <techToolsList(a)flippers.com> >Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 5:26 PM >Subject: Re: Guided Fault... > > > > > > At 11:56 PM 28/02/2002 -0800, John Robertson wrote: > > > > >Got it scanned in, check for it on ftp.flippers.com/Fluke/PDFs . I have > > >done GuidedFault-3-4-9-20.s which is program 3, 4, 9, and the start of >the > > >listing for program 20. > > > > > >There remains the following: > > >Program 3, 4, 9, 20 (page 12) - John :-#)# > > >Program 21 (bottom of page 12, page 13, middle of 14) - Kev > > >Program 22 (mid 14 - mid 17 (longest one...) - Jon R > > >Program 23 (mid 17 - top 18) - John :-#)# > > >Program 24 (top 18 - bot 18) - ? > > >Program 25 (bot 18 - top 19) - ? > > >Program 26 (top 19 - bot 19) - ? > > >Program 27 (bot 19 - bot 20) - ? > > >That's all. > > > > > >So if there are any volunteers, could they put their name behind a >program > > >number? Like mine. > > > > > >My "GuidedFault-3-4-9-20.s" is one directory up (Fluke), you can add to >it. > > > > > >Remember that the comments are deliniated with a '!', and the line of > > >program must be in a single line, that is if you are using RKSIC.EXE as > > >the compiler. > > > > > >I find that wordpad works fine for writing these up and then save in > > >unformated text and change the ending to ".s" from the ".txt" that >wordpad > > >likes... > > > > > >This booklet is great reading for explaining how to layout programming > > >steps to handle setting up guided fault isolation routines. > > > > > >John :-#)# > > > >

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Guided Fault...
by John Robertson 05 Mar '02

05 Mar '02

Got it scanned in, check for it on ftp.flippers.com/Fluke/PDFs . I have done GuidedFault-3-4-9-20.s which is program 3, 4, 9, and the start of the listing for program 20. There remains the following: Program 3, 4, 9, 20 (page 12) - John :-#)# Program 21 (bottom of page 12, page 13, middle of 14) Program 22 (mid 14 - mid 17 (longest one...) Program 23 (mid 17 - top 18) Program 24 (top 18 - bot 18) Program 25 (bot 18 - top 19) Program 26 (top 19 - bot 19) Program 27 (bot 19 - bot 20) That's all. So if there are any volunteers, could they put their name behind a program number? Like mine. My "GuidedFault-3-4-9-20.s" is one directory up (Fluke), you can add to it. Remember that the comments are deliniated with a '!', and the line of program must be in a single line, that is if you are using RKSIC.EXE as the compiler. I find that wordpad works fine for writing these up and then save in unformated text and change the ending to ".s" from the ".txt" that wordpad likes... This booklet is great reading for explaining how to layout programming steps to handle setting up guided fault isolation routines. John :-#)#

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9010A bare bones program suggestions?
by Kev 03 Mar '02

03 Mar '02

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