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RE: VECTOR: TECH: Omega Race, Kruz-Kash, and the Fluke 9010A
by David Shoemaker 17 Sep '00

17 Sep '00

John, you mention a logic comparator, what model do you use? David -----Original Message----- From: owner-vectorlist(a)synthcom.com [mailto:owner-vectorlist@synthcom.com]On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: Friday, August 18, 2000 9:50 AM To: vectorlist(a)synthcom.com; techtoolslist(a)flippers.com Subject: VECTOR: TECH: Omega Race, Kruz-Kash, and the Fluke 9010A I just thought I'd bore you folks with some experiences I had fixing up an Omega Race PCB... Pulled from stock, one very nice looking OR boardset-no corrosion at all battery was removed years ago, looked like an easy sale so pulled out the old KK test fixture and wired up my Hoie XY monitor. Dead. Disabled Watchdog, and pulled out Fluke and plugged into Z80 socket, hmmm, can't read any memory at all, yet Data Bus test is OK. Pulled 5101 and plugged into the 5101 test fixture (a Stern pinball MPU with zip sockets)-dead, ties data bus up. New 5101, still no reliable memory read, pulled out logic comparator, and found bad 7432 (-memw), now could read RAM. Lots of ram failures (turned out to be 5 bad 2114s), now couldn't read 2732s reliably, dig more with comparator, bad 74ls08, now can read some Eproms. Pulled 0h ROM, now could read all eproms. Hmm, check 0h Rom on programmer...Ok? Burn a new one, now all Rom checks out (anyone like Fluke sigs for Erpoms?). Repair Watchdog. Hook back up to XY, good picture, but Y pot does nothing, turns out the 10K resistor is open. Now it works....total time about five hours....sigh...never should start these old buggers some days. John :-#)# John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." --------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** To UNSUBSCRIBE from vectorlist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the ** message body to vectorlist-request(a)synthcom.com. Please direct other ** questions, comments, or problems to neil(a)synthcom.com.

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RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do?
by Ranger Mike 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

In theory, yes. Depends on what the unit will accept. Many GPIB tools use the interface for printing only. depends on what the combo of the interface and the tool will allow and if you have a manual to get the commands :-). In our hobby, I would expect this to be a useless add on. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: FBowen(a)checkfree.com [SMTP:FBowen@checkfree.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:23 AM > To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > Subject: RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it > do? > > > Yes, thanks. So the HPIB allows communication with and between HP devices > of the same era? So I could drive and read info off my 5004A with a pc or > something like that? > > > > > > > Ranger Mike <mike_ranger(a)dofasco.ca> on 09/12/2000 09:48:43 AM > > Please respond to TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > > To: "'TechToolsList(a)flippers.com'" <TechToolsList(a)flippers.com> > cc: > > Subject: RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do? > > > HPIB was the fore runner to GPIB. HP developed the protocol for > instrumentation communication, which became an IEEE standard and GPIB was > the generic version. > > GPIB stands for general purpose interface bus. It is used typically to > hook > more than one instrument/printer/PC together for control and data > transfer. > My 4th year thesis dealt with Pc communication to an HP data aquisition > box > over this bus/protocol configuration. I believe I used a general > intruments > GPIB card for the PC. > > Does that help? > Mike > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from techtoolslist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in > the > message body to: techtoolslist-request(a)flippers.com. Please direct other > questions, comments, or problems to jrr(a)flippers.com.

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RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do?
by Ranger Mike 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

My recollection is that HPIB and GPIB are 100% compatible. We were using a national instruments card, with a "turbo C" program to control an HP unit, defined as having an HPIB interface. Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: Omar Vega [SMTP:omar@techsource.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:36 AM > To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > Subject: Re: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it > do? > > You would still need the HPIB interface card. I know that ISA GPIB ones > run > about 3-400 new. I don't know about HPIB cards or if they are > interoperable. Here at work we use GPIB for diagnostic and QA on boards > before they go out (hooked up to a DSO). You can write your own routines > in > C to control the device and collect data. > > Omar > > -----Original Message----- > From: FBowen(a)checkfree.com <FBowen(a)checkfree.com> > To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com <TechToolsList(a)flippers.com> > Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:23 AM > Subject: RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do? > > > > > >Yes, thanks. So the HPIB allows communication with and between HP > devices > >of the same era? So I could drive and read info off my 5004A with a pc > or > >something like that? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ranger Mike <mike_ranger(a)dofasco.ca> on 09/12/2000 09:48:43 AM > > > >Please respond to TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > > > >To: "'TechToolsList(a)flippers.com'" <TechToolsList(a)flippers.com> > >cc: > > > >Subject: RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do? > > > > > >HPIB was the fore runner to GPIB. HP developed the protocol for > >instrumentation communication, which became an IEEE standard and GPIB was > >the generic version. > > > >GPIB stands for general purpose interface bus. It is used typically to > hook > >more than one instrument/printer/PC together for control and data > transfer. > >My 4th year thesis dealt with Pc communication to an HP data aquisition > box > >over this bus/protocol configuration. I believe I used a general > >intruments > >GPIB card for the PC. > > > >Does that help? > >Mike > > > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from techtoolslist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in > the > > message body to: techtoolslist-request(a)flippers.com. Please direct other > > questions, comments, or problems to jrr(a)flippers.com. > >

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Re: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do?
by Omar Vega 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

You would still need the HPIB interface card. I know that ISA GPIB ones run about 3-400 new. I don't know about HPIB cards or if they are interoperable. Here at work we use GPIB for diagnostic and QA on boards before they go out (hooked up to a DSO). You can write your own routines in C to control the device and collect data. Omar -----Original Message----- From: FBowen(a)checkfree.com <FBowen(a)checkfree.com> To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com <TechToolsList(a)flippers.com> Date: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 10:23 AM Subject: RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do? > >Yes, thanks. So the HPIB allows communication with and between HP devices >of the same era? So I could drive and read info off my 5004A with a pc or >something like that? > > > > > > >Ranger Mike <mike_ranger(a)dofasco.ca> on 09/12/2000 09:48:43 AM > >Please respond to TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > >To: "'TechToolsList(a)flippers.com'" <TechToolsList(a)flippers.com> >cc: > >Subject: RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do? > > >HPIB was the fore runner to GPIB. HP developed the protocol for >instrumentation communication, which became an IEEE standard and GPIB was >the generic version. > >GPIB stands for general purpose interface bus. It is used typically to hook >more than one instrument/printer/PC together for control and data transfer. >My 4th year thesis dealt with Pc communication to an HP data aquisition box >over this bus/protocol configuration. I believe I used a general >intruments >GPIB card for the PC. > >Does that help? >Mike > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from techtoolslist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the > message body to: techtoolslist-request(a)flippers.com. Please direct other > questions, comments, or problems to jrr(a)flippers.com. >

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RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do?
by FBowen＠checkfree.com 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

Yes, thanks. So the HPIB allows communication with and between HP devices of the same era? So I could drive and read info off my 5004A with a pc or something like that? Ranger Mike <mike_ranger(a)dofasco.ca> on 09/12/2000 09:48:43 AM Please respond to TechToolsList(a)flippers.com To: "'TechToolsList(a)flippers.com'" <TechToolsList(a)flippers.com> cc: Subject: RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do? HPIB was the fore runner to GPIB. HP developed the protocol for instrumentation communication, which became an IEEE standard and GPIB was the generic version. GPIB stands for general purpose interface bus. It is used typically to hook more than one instrument/printer/PC together for control and data transfer. My 4th year thesis dealt with Pc communication to an HP data aquisition box over this bus/protocol configuration. I believe I used a general intruments GPIB card for the PC. Does that help? Mike To UNSUBSCRIBE from techtoolslist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the message body to: techtoolslist-request(a)flippers.com. Please direct other questions, comments, or problems to jrr(a)flippers.com.

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RE: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do?
by Ranger Mike 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

HPIB was the fore runner to GPIB. HP developed the protocol for instrumentation communication, which became an IEEE standard and GPIB was the generic version. GPIB stands for general purpose interface bus. It is used typically to hook more than one instrument/printer/PC together for control and data transfer. My 4th year thesis dealt with Pc communication to an HP data aquisition box over this bus/protocol configuration. I believe I used a general intruments GPIB card for the PC. Does that help? Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: FBowen(a)checkfree.com [SMTP:FBowen@checkfree.com] > Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2000 9:41 AM > To: TechToolsList(a)flippers.com > Subject: What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do? > > There's a 5004A with this K17-59994A on e-bay at: > > > http://grass.ebay.com/go/101/12427738/1/435319266 > > > > > > > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from techtoolslist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in > the > message body to: techtoolslist-request(a)flippers.com. Please direct other > questions, comments, or problems to jrr(a)flippers.com.

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What is a K17-59994A HPIB INTERFACE UNIT? What does it do?
by FBowen＠checkfree.com 12 Sep '00

12 Sep '00

There's a 5004A with this K17-59994A on e-bay at: http://grass.ebay.com/go/101/12427738/1/435319266 To UNSUBSCRIBE from techtoolslist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the message body to: techtoolslist-request(a)flippers.com. Please direct other questions, comments, or problems to jrr(a)flippers.com.

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TECH: Omega Race, Kruz-Kash, and the Fluke 9010A
by John Robertson 03 Sep '00

03 Sep '00

I just thought I'd bore you folks with some experiences I had fixing up an Omega Race PCB... Pulled from stock, one very nice looking OR boardset-no corrosion at all battery was removed years ago, looked like an easy sale so pulled out the old KK test fixture and wired up my Hoie XY monitor. Dead. Disabled Watchdog, and pulled out Fluke and plugged into Z80 socket, hmmm, can't read any memory at all, yet Data Bus test is OK. Pulled 5101 and plugged into the 5101 test fixture (a Stern pinball MPU with zip sockets)-dead, ties data bus up. New 5101, still no reliable memory read, pulled out logic comparator, and found bad 7432 (-memw), now could read RAM. Lots of ram failures (turned out to be 5 bad 2114s), now couldn't read 2732s reliably, dig more with comparator, bad 74ls08, now can read some Eproms. Pulled 0h ROM, now could read all eproms. Hmm, check 0h Rom on programmer...Ok? Burn a new one, now all Rom checks out (anyone like Fluke sigs for Erpoms?). Repair Watchdog. Hook back up to XY, good picture, but Y pot does nothing, turns out the 10K resistor is open. Now it works....total time about five hours....sigh...never should start these old buggers some days. John :-#)# John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) http://www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out." To UNSUBSCRIBE from techtoolslist, send a message with "UNSUBSCRIBE" in the message body to: techtoolslist-request(a)flippers.com. Please direct other questions, comments, or problems to jrr(a)flippers.com.

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