Need a new mail-list host for TTL!
Hi folks, I just got a note from my hosts at Pair.com that they are dropping mailists and that I need to migrate TTL to another mail list service... Anyone have any suggestions? I could change to groups.io I suppose - I would still maintain the FTP directory on flippers FTP site. Anyway, just posting this out there... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
BOOOOOOO.... Groups.IO Pricing $0.44/member (min $220/year) billed annually (1 month free) there is also googlegroups ( which is freee... HOWEVER, the caveat is if used for Business ) it's NOT free... unless your a non-profit... How many people are on the list John? groups.io William Stillwell On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 1:45 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist < techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I just got a note from my hosts at Pair.com that they are dropping mailists and that I need to migrate TTL to another mail list service...
Anyone have any suggestions?
I could change to groups.io I suppose - I would still maintain the FTP directory on flippers FTP site.
Anyway, just posting this out there...
John :-#)#
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
On 2025-09-25 5:28 a.m., William Stillwell wrote:
BOOOOOOO....
Groups.IO Pricing $0.44/member (min $220/year) billed annually (1 month free)
there is also googlegroups ( which is freee... HOWEVER, the caveat is if used for Business ) it's NOT free... unless your a non-profit...
How many people are on the list John?
groups.io <http://groups.io>
William Stillwell
Yeah, after setting this up way back in Nov 1999 to have it killed off now (expiry Jan 1, 2026) is tiresome. /Over time, the free PairList mailing list program (based on GNU Mailman) has become unreliable as most mail hosts now require strict email validation standards (SPF, DKIM, DMARC). PairList cannot support these features, causing messages to be delayed, marked as spam, or rejected. Because of this declining reliability, we believe the service no longer meets our standards and will be discontinued./ /PairList has served our users well for many years. While we are sad to retire it, we are exploring a more reliable replacement service for the future./ We are currently under Mailman 2.1.39 I'm not sure if I'd want to be under Googlegroups - they mine everything...the less I give them the happier I am. We have 172 members, so groups.io would want $220USD/year. John :-#(#
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 1:45 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist <techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I just got a note from my hosts at Pair.com that they are dropping mailists and that I need to migrate TTL to another mail list service...
Anyone have any suggestions?
I could change to groups.io <http://groups.io> I suppose - I would still maintain the FTP directory on flippers FTP site.
Anyway, just posting this out there...
John :-#)#
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
That's a lot cheaper then what it costs me to run romident.coinopflorida.com ( $1200/year ) they need to come up with a list server where members pay to be a part of it, instead of the host trying to recoup costs from members. I would be happy to pay $5/year to keep this list going. William Stillwell On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 10:28 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist < techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
On 2025-09-25 5:28 a.m., William Stillwell wrote:
BOOOOOOO....
Groups.IO Pricing $0.44/member (min $220/year) billed annually (1 month free)
there is also googlegroups ( which is freee... HOWEVER, the caveat is if used for Business ) it's NOT free... unless your a non-profit...
How many people are on the list John?
groups.io <http://groups.io>
William Stillwell
Yeah, after setting this up way back in Nov 1999 to have it killed off now (expiry Jan 1, 2026) is tiresome.
/Over time, the free PairList mailing list program (based on GNU Mailman) has become unreliable as most mail hosts now require strict email validation standards (SPF, DKIM, DMARC). PairList cannot support these features, causing messages to be delayed, marked as spam, or rejected. Because of this declining reliability, we believe the service no longer meets our standards and will be discontinued./
/PairList has served our users well for many years. While we are sad to retire it, we are exploring a more reliable replacement service for the future./
We are currently under Mailman 2.1.39
I'm not sure if I'd want to be under Googlegroups - they mine everything...the less I give them the happier I am.
We have 172 members, so groups.io would want $220USD/year.
John :-#(#
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 1:45 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist <techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I just got a note from my hosts at Pair.com that they are dropping mailists and that I need to migrate TTL to another mail list service...
Anyone have any suggestions?
I could change to groups.io <http://groups.io> I suppose - I would still maintain the FTP directory on flippers FTP site.
Anyway, just posting this out there...
John :-#)#
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
I would also be fine with making a contribution toward a list serv annual cost, but I'm not sure how many would be willing to contribute or if as a group we could consistently get to the $220 annual fee? Although I run several low-volume internet facing services (and have for many years), a list server is one thing I have *not* ever run. I'm not afraid of delving into it if that is the most viable option, and Mailman 3 actually looks pretty slick in general. Where / how it's hosted isn't really a problem (I'm becoming increasingly impressed with the value/performance of Hetzner services). But it is likely a fair bit of work to get setup and going initially, so I think it would need to be much clearer that was going to be the path needed before really digging in deep. --Brad ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Stillwell" <ki4swy@gmail.com> To: "jrr" <jrr@flippers.com>, "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2025 10:34:45 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Need a new mail-list host for TTL! That's a lot cheaper then what it costs me to run romident.coinopflorida.com ( $1200/year ) they need to come up with a list server where members pay to be a part of it, instead of the host trying to recoup costs from members. I would be happy to pay $5/year to keep this list going. William Stillwell On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 10:28 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist < techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
On 2025-09-25 5:28 a.m., William Stillwell wrote:
BOOOOOOO....
Groups.IO Pricing $0.44/member (min $220/year) billed annually (1 month free)
there is also googlegroups ( which is freee... HOWEVER, the caveat is if used for Business ) it's NOT free... unless your a non-profit...
How many people are on the list John?
groups.io <http://groups.io>
William Stillwell
Yeah, after setting this up way back in Nov 1999 to have it killed off now (expiry Jan 1, 2026) is tiresome.
/Over time, the free PairList mailing list program (based on GNU Mailman) has become unreliable as most mail hosts now require strict email validation standards (SPF, DKIM, DMARC). PairList cannot support these features, causing messages to be delayed, marked as spam, or rejected. Because of this declining reliability, we believe the service no longer meets our standards and will be discontinued./
/PairList has served our users well for many years. While we are sad to retire it, we are exploring a more reliable replacement service for the future./
We are currently under Mailman 2.1.39
I'm not sure if I'd want to be under Googlegroups - they mine everything...the less I give them the happier I am.
We have 172 members, so groups.io would want $220USD/year.
John :-#(#
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 1:45 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist <techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I just got a note from my hosts at Pair.com that they are dropping mailists and that I need to migrate TTL to another mail list service...
Anyone have any suggestions?
I could change to groups.io <http://groups.io> I suppose - I would still maintain the FTP directory on flippers FTP site.
Anyway, just posting this out there...
John :-#)#
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
I have no problem with an annual monetary contribution to help keep TTL alive. Best Regards, Bill
On Sep 25, 2025, at 10:53 AM, Brad Gass via Techtoolslist <techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
I would also be fine with making a contribution toward a list serv annual cost, but I'm not sure how many would be willing to contribute or if as a group we could consistently get to the $220 annual fee?
Although I run several low-volume internet facing services (and have for many years), a list server is one thing I have *not* ever run. I'm not afraid of delving into it if that is the most viable option, and Mailman 3 actually looks pretty slick in general.
Where / how it's hosted isn't really a problem (I'm becoming increasingly impressed with the value/performance of Hetzner services). But it is likely a fair bit of work to get setup and going initially, so I think it would need to be much clearer that was going to be the path needed before really digging in deep.
--Brad
----- Original Message ----- From: "William Stillwell" <ki4swy@gmail.com> To: "jrr" <jrr@flippers.com>, "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2025 10:34:45 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Need a new mail-list host for TTL!
That's a lot cheaper then what it costs me to run romident.coinopflorida.com ( $1200/year )
they need to come up with a list server where members pay to be a part of it, instead of the host trying to recoup costs from members. I would be happy to pay $5/year to keep this list going.
William Stillwell
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 10:28 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist < techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
On 2025-09-25 5:28 a.m., William Stillwell wrote: BOOOOOOO....
Groups.IO Pricing $0.44/member (min $220/year) billed annually (1 month free)
there is also googlegroups ( which is freee... HOWEVER, the caveat is if used for Business ) it's NOT free... unless your a non-profit...
How many people are on the list John?
groups.io <http://groups.io>
William Stillwell
Yeah, after setting this up way back in Nov 1999 to have it killed off now (expiry Jan 1, 2026) is tiresome.
/Over time, the free PairList mailing list program (based on GNU Mailman) has become unreliable as most mail hosts now require strict email validation standards (SPF, DKIM, DMARC). PairList cannot support these features, causing messages to be dela
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
Hi Folks, Brad and I have been working towards his hosting TTL on his server's Mailman3. So don't be surprised if you get a welcoming email tonight or tomorrow saying something like "Welcome to Tech Tools List" and that you will need to set a new password... We didn't transfer across the settings, so folks who want a Daily Digest will have to set that option again by sending an email with a blank body, subject line "XXX", to listserve-XXX... The archives back to 2005 should be available sooner or later later, they have been grabbed. I hope this works, and thanks Bard for offering to host and set this up! John :-#)# On 2025-09-25 8:53 a.m., Brad Gass wrote:
I would also be fine with making a contribution toward a list serv annual cost, but I'm not sure how many would be willing to contribute or if as a group we could consistently get to the $220 annual fee?
Although I run several low-volume internet facing services (and have for many years), a list server is one thing I have *not* ever run. I'm not afraid of delving into it if that is the most viable option, and Mailman 3 actually looks pretty slick in general.
Where / how it's hosted isn't really a problem (I'm becoming increasingly impressed with the value/performance of Hetzner services). But it is likely a fair bit of work to get setup and going initially, so I think it would need to be much clearer that was going to be the path needed before really digging in deep.
--Brad
----- Original Message ----- From: "William Stillwell" <ki4swy@gmail.com> To: "jrr" <jrr@flippers.com>, "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2025 10:34:45 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Need a new mail-list host for TTL!
That's a lot cheaper then what it costs me to run romident.coinopflorida.com ( $1200/year )
they need to come up with a list server where members pay to be a part of it, instead of the host trying to recoup costs from members. I would be happy to pay $5/year to keep this list going.
William Stillwell
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 10:28 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist < techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
On 2025-09-25 5:28 a.m., William Stillwell wrote:
BOOOOOOO....
Groups.IO Pricing $0.44/member (min $220/year) billed annually (1 month free)
there is also googlegroups ( which is freee... HOWEVER, the caveat is if used for Business ) it's NOT free... unless your a non-profit...
How many people are on the list John?
groups.io <http://groups.io>
William Stillwell
Yeah, after setting this up way back in Nov 1999 to have it killed off now (expiry Jan 1, 2026) is tiresome.
/Over time, the free PairList mailing list program (based on GNU Mailman) has become unreliable as most mail hosts now require strict email validation standards (SPF, DKIM, DMARC). PairList cannot support these features, causing messages to be delayed, marked as spam, or rejected. Because of this declining reliability, we believe the service no longer meets our standards and will be discontinued./
/PairList has served our users well for many years. While we are sad to retire it, we are exploring a more reliable replacement service for the future./
We are currently under Mailman 2.1.39
I'm not sure if I'd want to be under Googlegroups - they mine everything...the less I give them the happier I am.
We have 172 members, so groups.io would want $220USD/year.
John :-#(#
On Thu, Sep 25, 2025 at 1:45 AM John Robertson via Techtoolslist <techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
Hi folks,
I just got a note from my hosts at Pair.com that they are dropping mailists and that I need to migrate TTL to another mail list service...
Anyone have any suggestions?
I could change to groups.io <http://groups.io> I suppose - I would still maintain the FTP directory on flippers FTP site.
Anyway, just posting this out there...
John :-#)#
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site 2005-Current: https://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ Vectorlist Archives 1997/99 - 2016: https://www.vectorlist.org/
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