My 9100FT and 9105FT arrived today. Unfortunately the screen on the 9105FT was totally shattered ;-( They both seemed well packaged and I would have thought the keyboard would provide decent protection. Does anyone know if it's a standard part (for the period) or somethinv custom? I thought I read something about replacements but I think that may have been for 9010. Sure looks like a fun desoldering project :-) 9100FT isn't working, passes self test but "Disk Access" light stays pinned on. Only other oddity is that there seems to be a scsi card in the 9105FT. I wasn't expecting this, looks like the card also drives the IEEE488. Tony _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Join the club, I also have a 9100 with a bad screen. William Stillwell Hamster / KI4SWY Stillwell Software Solutions. Free Play Florida Arcade & Pinball Show Organizer -----Original Message----- From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of Tony Jones Sent: Wednesday, December 2, 2015 8:42 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 replacement screen? My 9100FT and 9105FT arrived today. Unfortunately the screen on the 9105FT was totally shattered ;-( They both seemed well packaged and I would have thought the keyboard would provide decent protection. Does anyone know if it's a standard part (for the period) or somethinv custom? I thought I read something about replacements but I think that may have been for 9010. Sure looks like a fun desoldering project :-) 9100FT isn't working, passes self test but "Disk Access" light stays pinned on. Only other oddity is that there seems to be a scsi card in the 9105FT. I wasn't expecting this, looks like the card also drives the IEEE488. Tony _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 5:51 PM, William Stillwell <wkstill@franz-family.com> wrote:
Join the club, I also have a 9100 with a bad screen.
I'm assuming it's "TUBE, DISPLAY, VAC, FLUOR PATTERN DIS" in the service manual. Fluke stock# and manufacturer part# are both 742056. Hmmn. I guess I'll need to desolder it to see if I can make out any additional identification. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
I have the tube part number and manufacturers name at the shop. No spare tubes though. Might be something to emulate with a narrow LCD screen... John :-#)#
On Dec 2, 2015, at 6:03 PM, Tony Jones <tony@tonyjones.com> wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 5:51 PM, William Stillwell <wkstill@franz-family.com> wrote:
Join the club, I also have a 9100 with a bad screen.
I'm assuming it's "TUBE, DISPLAY, VAC, FLUOR PATTERN DIS" in the service manual. Fluke stock# and manufacturer part# are both 742056. Hmmn. I guess I'll need to desolder it to see if I can make out any additional identification. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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On 12/02/2015 6:03 PM, Tony Jones wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 5:51 PM, William Stillwell <wkstill@franz-family.com> wrote:
Join the club, I also have a 9100 with a bad screen. I'm assuming it's "TUBE, DISPLAY, VAC, FLUOR PATTERN DIS" in the service manual. Fluke stock# and manufacturer part# are both 742056. Hmmn. I guess I'll need to desolder it to see if I can make out any additional identification.
See if you can find "Noritake Itron DM256X26GB (21B) " that was the make and model of the tube. The previous thread here on this topic was in August of this year - subject line: "Looking for a 9100A VFD display" and before that in Feb 2015 "Wanted: Fluke 9100A VFD Display" and before that "Fluke 9010A Display problem" in March of 2013, and before that "WTB 9010 fluorescent display" in June of 2010, and before that in 2002: */I just heard back from my contact (John Konishi) and there are 26 tubes left for the 9100, net cost (FOB Toronto, Canada) is $185 Canadian (approximately $115US) plus shipping and any duties (if applicable to the USA). They will do single orders. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> John Konishi / Noritake Canada Ltd. PH: 416-291-2946 Ex 240 FA: 416-292-0239 e-mail: /**/jkonishi@noritake.ca/**/URL: /**/http://www.noritake-itron.com/**/<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> Please order only what you need, I am also letting Shy (NAVATEK) in on this as he is being supportive of the group, he is sending my the 9100 backup program that he is allowing us to share - plus he told Cory who made the tube and the part number which enabled me to find these. He needs to support his industrial client base...I've asked him to leave five for us. I'm ordering one.../* I actually ordered something like 4, and only have one left for my personal spare. It is possible that Noritake in Toronto still has these - give them a call! John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
See if you can find "Noritake Itron DM256X26GB (21B) " that was the make and model of the tube.
I pulled mine off the board. It's DM256X26GC (2FB) http://www.noritake-itron.com/pages/Partsearchfull.htm lists both GB and GC. Both discontinued of course. No clue what the difference between the two is, if any. The 9100FT works (or will soon) so I think I'll just keep my eyes peeled on eBay etc for a replacement for the 9105.
On 12/02/2015 11:28 PM, Tony Jones wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
See if you can find "Noritake Itron DM256X26GB (21B) " that was the make and model of the tube. I pulled mine off the board. It's DM256X26GC (2FB)
http://www.noritake-itron.com/pages/Partsearchfull.htm lists both GB and GC. Both discontinued of course. No clue what the difference between the two is, if any.
The 9100FT works (or will soon) so I think I'll just keep my eyes peeled on eBay etc for a replacement for the 9105.
Noritake still makes a variety of display tubes - including the 256 X 24 or 256 X 32 style. Perhaps something here can be kludged into place? http://www.noritake-itron.com/NewWeb/GVFD/Catagory/GProds.asp John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
A few years ago, I was in contact with Noritake about getting the specs for an obsoleted (custom) display used in a scale head to look at the feasibility of designing a retrofit for it. Ultimately, the customer chose not pursue it (and spend a couple hundred thousand to outright replace what was otherwise a perfectly usable scale, but that's another story). To the point, after explaining the situation, the gentleman below was very helpful in getting me the spec sheet for that custom display. Someone may want to try and reach him to ask about this display as well to see if anything can be done in terms of retrofit. Fumihiko "TOM" Mizutani Noritake Co., Inc. fmizutani.ele@noritake.com Enjoy! --Brad From: "John Robertson" <jrr@flippers.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:16:05 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] 9100 replacement screen? On 12/02/2015 11:28 PM, Tony Jones wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
See if you can find "Noritake Itron DM256X26GB (21B) " that was the make and model of the tube. I pulled mine off the board. It's DM256X26GC (2FB)
http://www.noritake-itron.com/pages/Partsearchfull.htm lists both GB and GC. Both discontinued of course. No clue what the difference between the two is, if any.
The 9100FT works (or will soon) so I think I'll just keep my eyes peeled on eBay etc for a replacement for the 9105.
Noritake still makes a variety of display tubes - including the 256 X 24 or 256 X 32 style. Perhaps something here can be kludged into place? http://www.noritake-itron.com/NewWeb/GVFD/Catagory/GProds.asp John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Seems best if just one person tries to contact. If I don't hear that someone else is doing it by next week, I'll make contact. Thanks! On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Brad Gass <bradg@digitalplains.net> wrote:
A few years ago, I was in contact with Noritake about getting the specs for an obsoleted (custom) display used in a scale head to look at the feasibility of designing a retrofit for it. Ultimately, the customer chose not pursue it (and spend a couple hundred thousand to outright replace what was otherwise a perfectly usable scale, but that's another story).
To the point, after explaining the situation, the gentleman below was very helpful in getting me the spec sheet for that custom display. Someone may want to try and reach him to ask about this display as well to see if anything can be done in terms of retrofit.
Fumihiko "TOM" Mizutani Noritake Co., Inc. fmizutani.ele@noritake.com
Enjoy!
--Brad
From: "John Robertson" <jrr@flippers.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:16:05 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] 9100 replacement screen?
On 12/02/2015 11:28 PM, Tony Jones wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
See if you can find "Noritake Itron DM256X26GB (21B) " that was the make and model of the tube. I pulled mine off the board. It's DM256X26GC (2FB)
http://www.noritake-itron.com/pages/Partsearchfull.htm lists both GB and GC. Both discontinued of course. No clue what the difference between the two is, if any.
The 9100FT works (or will soon) so I think I'll just keep my eyes peeled on eBay etc for a replacement for the 9105.
Noritake still makes a variety of display tubes - including the 256 X 24 or 256 X 32 style. Perhaps something here can be kludged into place?
http://www.noritake-itron.com/NewWeb/GVFD/Catagory/GProds.asp
John :-#)#
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I have the datasheets for the GB and GC versions. I talked to the guy in the Noritake California office. He'd worked there for 20 years and was familiar with the part# and that they were used by a test equipment manufacturer in Washington State. I thought this was an amazing feat of memory at first but later I got the sense I was not the first Fluke owner to bug him about replacements. He initially claimed they were Fluke custom but after checking said they were standard items which is why he could release the data sheets. He did say that he believed Fluke was the sole US user of the part. I'm not sure how useful the data sheets are other than to determine if the GB will work in a board fitted with the GC (like my FT). A better option seems to be to decode the serial protocol and if successful, work on a replacement design using an LCD. He wouldn't give me the data sheets for the E, G, H and J versions so I have no idea if they would work as replacements. He did say that the information that MN256X32FB is a valid replacement is incorrect. I notice "Tony htbs" has posted twice with this part# so I'm curious if he has actually got it to work. Noritake rep said you would have to rework the hardware driver and software to make use of it, even if you could physically mount the larger height device. On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 12:40 PM, Brad Gass <bradg@digitalplains.net> wrote:
A few years ago, I was in contact with Noritake about getting the specs for an obsoleted (custom) display used in a scale head to look at the feasibility of designing a retrofit for it. Ultimately, the customer chose not pursue it (and spend a couple hundred thousand to outright replace what was otherwise a perfectly usable scale, but that's another story).
To the point, after explaining the situation, the gentleman below was very helpful in getting me the spec sheet for that custom display. Someone may want to try and reach him to ask about this display as well to see if anything can be done in terms of retrofit.
Fumihiko "TOM" Mizutani Noritake Co., Inc. fmizutani.ele@noritake.com
Enjoy!
--Brad
From: "John Robertson" <jrr@flippers.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 2:16:05 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] 9100 replacement screen?
On 12/02/2015 11:28 PM, Tony Jones wrote:
On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 11:13 PM, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
See if you can find "Noritake Itron DM256X26GB (21B) " that was the make and model of the tube. I pulled mine off the board. It's DM256X26GC (2FB)
http://www.noritake-itron.com/pages/Partsearchfull.htm lists both GB and GC. Both discontinued of course. No clue what the difference between the two is, if any.
The 9100FT works (or will soon) so I think I'll just keep my eyes peeled on eBay etc for a replacement for the 9105.
Noritake still makes a variety of display tubes - including the 256 X 24 or 256 X 32 style. Perhaps something here can be kludged into place?
http://www.noritake-itron.com/NewWeb/GVFD/Catagory/GProds.asp
John :-#)#
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1 VTC15295711 MN256X32FB NORITAKE Usually ships within 1 week New 1 $250.00 $250.00 Emily Lalonde Vox Technologies 1301 Presidential Drive, Suite# 200 Richardson, TX 75081 469-249-2217 Tony Hi-tech arcade repair -----Original Message----- From: Techtoolslist [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of Tony Jones Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 8:42 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: [Techtoolslist] 9100 replacement screen? My 9100FT and 9105FT arrived today. Unfortunately the screen on the 9105FT was totally shattered ;-( They both seemed well packaged and I would have thought the keyboard would provide decent protection. Does anyone know if it's a standard part (for the period) or somethinv custom? I thought I read something about replacements but I think that may have been for 9010. Sure looks like a fun desoldering project :-) 9100FT isn't working, passes self test but "Disk Access" light stays pinned on. Only other oddity is that there seems to be a scsi card in the 9105FT. I wasn't expecting this, looks like the card also drives the IEEE488. Tony _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On Thu, Dec 3, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Tony htbs <tony@htbsusa.com> wrote:
1 VTC15295711 MN256X32FB NORITAKE Usually ships within
I saw you posted exact same thing on Mon, 17 Aug 2015 (my bad for not searching archive). This isn't the same part# that John or I found. So it's a known-to-work cross reference? Not that I'm going to pay $250. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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