Has anyone spotted a script for using the probe to identify an address of the trace one is touching? For example probe a select line and find the range that select is active for. Define the address range, then monitor the trace and identify the particular address or the range. Data lines would be an obvious sub-set as well as IO lines. If not, any 9100 folks interested in working to make it? This would be for sharing on TTL. Thanks! John :-#)# John’s Jukes Ltd. www.flippers.com _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On 2023/04/03 2:52 p.m., David Shoemaker wrote:
I remember seeing a script like this for the 9010, should be simple enough to port to 9100
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True enough - and those scripts are in the 9010 section on the FTP site, directory is even named "Identify Address & Data lines" - from 2002 even. I completely forgot about that... So, how to port to the 9100? Or perhaps the script is hiding in the 9100 Training? Actually the LEARN (AUTO_LEARN) function is in the 9100A/AF Technical User's Manual - and the disc image is in the UUT Test Disk. Now to find that image... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On 2023/04/03 5:46 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 2:52 p.m., David Shoemaker wrote:
I remember seeing a script like this for the 9010, should be simple enough to port to 9100 ...
Or perhaps the script is hiding in the 9100 Training?
Actually the LEARN (AUTO_LEARN) function is in the 9100A/AF Technical User's Manual - and the disc image is in the UUT Test Disk.
John :-#)#
Well, I found the disk (and the 6.0 Service Disc) and forgot that when you copy a Service disk onto the HDR it will over-write the operating system. So now I have to reload 6.1 (found the floppies). At least my floppy drive is working well. I don't know/remember enough about the 9100 yet, but it seems that for the most part you should always save programs on floppies. That isn't going to end well! The LEARN function is handy. I'll scan the documents and put them on TTL shortly. And once I remember how to use the added USB function I added to the 9100 years ago (along with the SCSI Micro-SD card) I'll copy the accompanying floppy disc. John :-#)# _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On 2023/04/05 3:38 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 5:46 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 2:52 p.m., David Shoemaker wrote:
I remember seeing a script like this for the 9010, should be simple enough to port to 9100 ...
Or perhaps the script is hiding in the 9100 Training?
Actually the LEARN (AUTO_LEARN) function is in the 9100A/AF Technical User's Manual - and the disc image is in the UUT Test Disk.
John :-#)#
Well, I found the disk (and the 6.0 Service Disc) and forgot that when you copy a Service disk onto the HDR it will over-write the operating system. So now I have to reload 6.1 (found the floppies). At least my floppy drive is working well.
I don't know/remember enough about the 9100 yet, but it seems that for the most part you should always save programs on floppies. That isn't going to end well!
The LEARN function is handy. I'll scan the documents and put them on TTL shortly. And once I remember how to use the added USB function I added to the 9100 years ago (along with the SCSI Micro-SD card) I'll copy the accompanying floppy disc.
John :-#)#
I've uploaded the section on 9100A/AF LEARN to the /Fluke/9100/PDFs directory and also tidied up the directory a bit, and added -searchable to the files that are. https://www.flippers.com/public_ftp/flip/public/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9100... Sooner or later I'll upload the UUT companion disc to the FTP site, once I remember how to create an image file...it's been perhaps 12 years since I last did one. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On 2023/04/08 10:49 a.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/05 3:38 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 5:46 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 2:52 p.m., David Shoemaker wrote:
I remember seeing a script like this for the 9010, should be simple enough to port to 9100 ...
Or perhaps the script is hiding in the 9100 Training?
Actually the LEARN (AUTO_LEARN) function is in the 9100A/AF Technical User's Manual - and the disc image is in the UUT Test Disk.
John :-#)#
Well, I found the disk (and the 6.0 Service Disc) and forgot that when you copy a Service disk onto the HDR it will over-write the operating system. So now I have to reload 6.1 (found the floppies). At least my floppy drive is working well.
I don't know/remember enough about the 9100 yet, but it seems that for the most part you should always save programs on floppies. That isn't going to end well!
The LEARN function is handy. I'll scan the documents and put them on TTL shortly. And once I remember how to use the added USB function I added to the 9100 years ago (along with the SCSI Micro-SD card) I'll copy the accompanying floppy disc.
John :-#)#
I've uploaded the section on 9100A/AF LEARN to the /Fluke/9100/PDFs directory and also tidied up the directory a bit, and added -searchable to the files that are.
https://www.flippers.com/public_ftp/flip/public/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9100...
Sooner or later I'll upload the UUT companion disc to the FTP site, once I remember how to create an image file...it's been perhaps 12 years since I last did one.
John :-#)#
Further - I have extracted the text from the UUT Test Disk image (using SAMdisk - https://simonowen.com/samdisk/ ), it is written in TL/1 language, and I have uploaded that raw extract to: https://www.flippers.com/public_ftp/flip/public/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9100... It is not a perfect extraction, and I suspect there are some errors, hopefully folks here who may be interested are more familiar with TL/1 and can tidy it up further. Here is the description of the tests on the UUT disk: !! auto_learn -- AUTOTEST and LEARN !! ================================ !! !! This program provides a LEARN and AUTOTEST capability similar to the !! FLUKE 9010A. This program provides a softkey driven user interface !! to invoke the learn algorithm (a seperate program "DO_LRN" (copyrighted)) !! and to test the resulting learned descriptors. Additionally, it provides !! a facility to view the learned descriptors and to add additional ones. !! The learned descriptors are stored in a local text file named "LEARN_INFO". !! !! Note: since TL/1 does not have access to pod space information, when a !! LEARN is performed it uses the address space active when this program !! (AUTO_LEARN) is invoked and stores it with each descriptor. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
hmm.. link doesn't work.. William Stillwell Volunteer for The Phoenix - a 501c3 Organization - Providing outreach and events for those who are living a sober lifestyle. Member of MakerFX & Tampa Hackerspace both 501c3 organization - Providing Makers services in Tampa & Orlando Former Board member of the following fine organizations! Former Board Member & Co-Founder - Byte Amusement Group // Free Play Florida Arcade & Pinball Show a 501c3 organization Former Board Member - West Central Florida Group - a 501c3 Organization. - Providing Emergency Communications across Central Florida. Former Board Member - Inspiration labs, Inc. a 501c3 organization - Tampa's Premier Maker Space. On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 9:04 PM John Robertson via Techtoolslist < techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
On 2023/04/08 10:49 a.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/05 3:38 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 5:46 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 2:52 p.m., David Shoemaker wrote:
I remember seeing a script like this for the 9010, should be simple enough to port to 9100 ...
Or perhaps the script is hiding in the 9100 Training?
Actually the LEARN (AUTO_LEARN) function is in the 9100A/AF Technical User's Manual - and the disc image is in the UUT Test Disk.
John :-#)#
Well, I found the disk (and the 6.0 Service Disc) and forgot that when you copy a Service disk onto the HDR it will over-write the operating system. So now I have to reload 6.1 (found the floppies). At least my floppy drive is working well.
I don't know/remember enough about the 9100 yet, but it seems that for the most part you should always save programs on floppies. That isn't going to end well!
The LEARN function is handy. I'll scan the documents and put them on TTL shortly. And once I remember how to use the added USB function I added to the 9100 years ago (along with the SCSI Micro-SD card) I'll copy the accompanying floppy disc.
John :-#)#
I've uploaded the section on 9100A/AF LEARN to the /Fluke/9100/PDFs directory and also tidied up the directory a bit, and added -searchable to the files that are.
https://www.flippers.com/public_ftp/flip/public/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9100...
Sooner or later I'll upload the UUT companion disc to the FTP site, once I remember how to create an image file...it's been perhaps 12 years since I last did one.
John :-#)#
Further - I have extracted the text from the UUT Test Disk image (using SAMdisk - https://simonowen.com/samdisk/ ), it is written in TL/1 language, and I have uploaded that raw extract to:
https://www.flippers.com/public_ftp/flip/public/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9100...
It is not a perfect extraction, and I suspect there are some errors, hopefully folks here who may be interested are more familiar with TL/1 and can tidy it up further.
Here is the description of the tests on the UUT disk:
!! auto_learn -- AUTOTEST and LEARN !! ================================ !! !! This program provides a LEARN and AUTOTEST capability similar to the !! FLUKE 9010A. This program provides a softkey driven user interface !! to invoke the learn algorithm (a seperate program "DO_LRN" (copyrighted)) !! and to test the resulting learned descriptors. Additionally, it provides !! a facility to view the learned descriptors and to add additional ones. !! The learned descriptors are stored in a local text file named "LEARN_INFO". !! !! Note: since TL/1 does not have access to pod space information, when a !! LEARN is performed it uses the address space active when this program !! (AUTO_LEARN) is invoked and stores it with each descriptor.
John :-#)#
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
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On 2023/04/08 10:49 a.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/05 3:38 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 5:46 p.m., John Robertson via Techtoolslist wrote:
On 2023/04/03 2:52 p.m., David Shoemaker wrote:
I remember seeing a script like this for the 9010, should be simple enough to port to 9100 ...
Or perhaps the script is hiding in the 9100 Training?
Actually the LEARN (AUTO_LEARN) function is in the 9100A/AF Technical User's Manual - and the disc image is in the UUT Test Disk.
John :-#)#
Well, I found the disk (and the 6.0 Service Disc) and forgot that when you copy a Service disk onto the HDR it will over-write the operating system. So now I have to reload 6.1 (found the floppies). At least my floppy drive is working well.
I don't know/remember enough about the 9100 yet, but it seems that for the most part you should always save programs on floppies. That isn't going to end well!
The LEARN function is handy. I'll scan the documents and put them on TTL shortly. And once I remember how to use the added USB function I added to the 9100 years ago (along with the SCSI Micro-SD card) I'll copy the accompanying floppy disc.
John :-#)#
I've uploaded the section on 9100A/AF LEARN to the /Fluke/9100/PDFs directory and also tidied up the directory a bit, and added -searchable to the files that are.
(fixed ftp link) ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100_Fixture_PDFs/9100A_3_TechnicalUsersManual_PN864637_AF_Addendum-searchable.pdf
Sooner or later I'll upload the UUT companion disc to the FTP site, once I remember how to create an image file...it's been perhaps 12 years since I last did one.
John :-#)#
Not sure if anyone is still following this, but the latest in the saga with my 9100FT is I am trying to work with the UUT Test Disk V1.0 (waiting for a USB floppy so I can copy it and create an image on a PC) and I'm getting the following error msg when I launch Program DO_LRN on my 9100FT: *DO_LRN(551): wrong number of subscripts to 't_upper'* Which wasn't helping me at all. I've tried a couple of different UUT Test Disks that I have (all are V1.0) with no change. Ran it first on 6.1, then tried under 6.0, same results. Has anyone run the UUT Test Disk on the 9100FT? Further - I have extracted the text from the UUT Test Disk image (using SAMdisk - https://simonowen.com/samdisk/ ), it is written in TL/1 language, and I have uploaded that raw extract to: (fixed ftp link - I hope) ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment/Fluke/9100%20Series/9100_Fixture_PDFs/9100-UUT_TEST_DISK.TXT It is not a perfect extraction, and I suspect there are some errors, hopefully folks here who may be interested are more familiar with TL/1 and can tidy it up further. Here is the description of the tests on the UUT disk: !! auto_learn -- AUTOTEST and LEARN !! ================================ !! !! This program provides a LEARN and AUTOTEST capability similar to the !! FLUKE 9010A. This program provides a softkey driven user interface !! to invoke the learn algorithm (a seperate program "DO_LRN" (copyrighted)) !! and to test the resulting learned descriptors. Additionally, it provides !! a facility to view the learned descriptors and to add additional ones. !! The learned descriptors are stored in a local text file named "LEARN_INFO". !! !! Note: since TL/1 does not have access to pod space information, when a !! LEARN is performed it uses the address space active when this program !! (AUTO_LEARN) is invoked and stores it with each descriptor. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 7 - 3979 Marine Way, Burnaby, BC, Canada V5J 5E3 Call (604)872-5757 (Pinballs, Jukes, Video Games) flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is:ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site:http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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