Hi guys, I've got a 9010 with a couple of bad characters (the first two) in the fluorescent display. Long shot I know but does anyone have a spare working display FS? Cheers, DanP _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Danny Pearson wrote:
Hi guys, I've got a 9010 with a couple of bad characters (the first two) in the fluorescent display. Long shot I know but does anyone have a spare working display FS?
Cheers,
DanP
If no one on the list has a spare you can check with Shy @ Navatek - he bought up all of Flukes 9XXX gear. nice guy to deal with as well... shy (at) navatek.com (949) 588-2121, Lake Forest, CA John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
I emailed Shy a while back and he told me he had nothing for sale... -----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:43 AM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] WTB 9010 fluorescent display Danny Pearson wrote:
Hi guys, I've got a 9010 with a couple of bad characters (the first two) in the fluorescent display. Long shot I know but does anyone have a spare working display FS?
Cheers,
DanP
If no one on the list has a spare you can check with Shy @ Navatek - he bought up all of Flukes 9XXX gear. nice guy to deal with as well... shy (at) navatek.com (949) 588-2121, Lake Forest, CA John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Hi Guys, I was playing with my 68000 pod, and wanted to plug it into an outrun board with turned pin sockets.... Obviously the Pod pins are too big to go into the turned pin sockets on the game board, so I used the RED socket supplied which worked nicely.... However, as soon as I removed the red socket, its started to loose its pins......and after trying in a couple of other boards, its pretty knackered now....and in poor shape.... Is there a fairly cheap alternative to this RED socket , before I start making a fancy adaptor up using back to back sockets and replaceable strips of pins... I'm thinking IC header strips or something ? - Obviously needs to mate with the Turned Pin Sockets, but accept the Fat Pod Pins.... Any ideas appreciated please..... Cheers, Colin _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Colin Davies wrote:
Hi Guys,
I was playing with my 68000 pod, and wanted to plug it into an outrun board with turned pin sockets....
Obviously the Pod pins are too big to go into the turned pin sockets on the game board, so I used the RED socket supplied which worked nicely....
However, as soon as I removed the red socket, its started to loose its pins......and after trying in a couple of other boards, its pretty knackered now....and in poor shape....
Is there a fairly cheap alternative to this RED socket , before I start making a fancy adaptor up using back to back sockets and replaceable strips of pins...
I'm thinking IC header strips or something ? - Obviously needs to mate with the Turned Pin Sockets, but accept the Fat Pod Pins....
Any ideas appreciated please.....
Cheers, Colin I use 'sacrifice' IC sockets (solder tail) on the UUT end of my pods. Better to break off a socket leg then break off a pin from the UUT connector!
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Thanks John, When you say solder tail sockets.... Do you mean pressed dual wipe type things ??? Its the tight turned pin sockets that I'm struggling to mate with..... What I am planning to do if all else fails is.... Make up a 'stiff' assembly of back to back IC Sockets... Wire Wrap type Turned Pin Socket Strips with Long Legs, soldered to Vero Board, Both Sides of Vero Board will be stiffened up, by adding a layer either side (I've got some nice insulation resin sheet) and using some aralydyte resin to hold in place... Cut the Long legs down, and solder a suitable socket that will take the Pod..... By stiffening it up, it will not be prone to flexing, will last a long while , and be easy to remove.... I'll then use Low Cost sacrificial Pin to Pin Strips.... to plug this into the UUT..... These can be replaced easily in sections.... I'll have some silly 'noob' 68000 pod questions to follow, lol..... So far, I've had it testing Outrun Rams OK, but no luck whatsover with Rom Checksums.. (on a 100% working board to get a feel of the thing)...... Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Robertson" <jrr@flippers.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke Pods to Turned Pin Sockets - Help !!
Colin Davies wrote:
Hi Guys,
I was playing with my 68000 pod, and wanted to plug it into an outrun board with turned pin sockets....
Obviously the Pod pins are too big to go into the turned pin sockets on the game board, so I used the RED socket supplied which worked nicely....
However, as soon as I removed the red socket, its started to loose its pins......and after trying in a couple of other boards, its pretty knackered now....and in poor shape....
Is there a fairly cheap alternative to this RED socket , before I start making a fancy adaptor up using back to back sockets and replaceable strips of pins...
I'm thinking IC header strips or something ? - Obviously needs to mate with the Turned Pin Sockets, but accept the Fat Pod Pins....
Any ideas appreciated please.....
Cheers, Colin I use 'sacrifice' IC sockets (solder tail) on the UUT end of my pods. Better to break off a socket leg then break off a pin from the UUT connector!
John :-#)#
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Hi Col, I'm not sure which red adaptor you're talking about, but I made a pair of ZIF pin savers for my main Fluke pods. They are a ZIF socket wired to a length of ribbon cable and ended in an IDC style socket. I just soldered up the ribbon cable to the back of the ZIF (well, I mounted it on some veroboard) and then routed it through the IDC. It takes about 5 minutes of figuring out to make sure that you're not crossing pins between the ZIF and the IDC part and then it's just soldering. The benefit being that you insert the delicate Fluke pod into the ZIF socket, and then use the IDC as a sacrificial connector. If/when the pins on the IDC socket bend beyond repair, just un-clip the top, replace the socket (about £1.50 from Farnell for a 40 pin) and you're good to go. The 68k saver was a bit more tricky as it took me some time to find the right sized parts but it's guaranteed a lot cheaper/simpler than having to replace a pod header :) I've got pics somewhere I could look for and stick on the web somewhere. cheers tim On 8 June 2010 19:45, Colin Davies <colin.w.davies@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Is there a fairly cheap alternative to this RED socket , before I start making a fancy adaptor up using back to back sockets
and replaceable strips of pins...
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Tim, The Red Socket was supplied in the Box new with the 68000 Pod, Its NOT a cheap Dual Wipe Socket (and cheap 64 pin ones are not cheap !!). Its got some nice contacts that mate really neatly with the pod pins, and has (Had) some fine'ish pins that plug into the turned pin sockets really well..... But like I said, it didn't like being removed !!! For a 64 Pin Zif Socket, I was looking at £35 or so I think..... I like the idea of using an IDC socket though..... but might be a killer with a 64 pin one..... I've not done too much homework on it yet though !! Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Matthews" <trmatthe@gmail.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke Pods to Turned Pin Sockets - Help !! Hi Col, I'm not sure which red adaptor you're talking about, but I made a pair of ZIF pin savers for my main Fluke pods. They are a ZIF socket wired to a length of ribbon cable and ended in an IDC style socket. I just soldered up the ribbon cable to the back of the ZIF (well, I mounted it on some veroboard) and then routed it through the IDC. It takes about 5 minutes of figuring out to make sure that you're not crossing pins between the ZIF and the IDC part and then it's just soldering. The benefit being that you insert the delicate Fluke pod into the ZIF socket, and then use the IDC as a sacrificial connector. If/when the pins on the IDC socket bend beyond repair, just un-clip the top, replace the socket (about £1.50 from Farnell for a 40 pin) and you're good to go. The 68k saver was a bit more tricky as it took me some time to find the right sized parts but it's guaranteed a lot cheaper/simpler than having to replace a pod header :) I've got pics somewhere I could look for and stick on the web somewhere. cheers tim On 8 June 2010 19:45, Colin Davies <colin.w.davies@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Is there a fairly cheap alternative to this RED socket , before I start making a fancy adaptor up using back to back sockets
and replaceable strips of pins...
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That's the drawback with this approach, but a) I was lucky and found some non-RoHS ZIFs that were being sold off cheap and b) even at £35 it's cheaper than buying a sacrificial pod to nick bits from :) I did find a source of 64pin sockets in 0.9" width suitable for 68k for under £1 each in multiples of 10. I think it was RS and need to refind the link so I can order some more. tim On 8 June 2010 20:57, Colin Davies <colin.w.davies@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Tim,
The Red Socket was supplied in the Box new with the 68000 Pod, Its NOT a cheap Dual Wipe Socket (and cheap 64 pin ones are not cheap !!).
Its got some nice contacts that mate really neatly with the pod pins, and has (Had) some fine'ish pins that plug into the turned pin sockets really well..... But like I said, it didn't like being removed !!!
For a 64 Pin Zif Socket, I was looking at £35 or so I think..... I like the idea of using an IDC socket though..... but might be a killer with a 64 pin one..... I've not done too much homework on it yet though !!
Cheers, Colin
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Matthews" <trmatthe@gmail.com>
To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 8:15 PM
Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke Pods to Turned Pin Sockets - Help !!
Hi Col,
I'm not sure which red adaptor you're talking about, but I made a pair of ZIF pin savers for my main Fluke pods.
They are a ZIF socket wired to a length of ribbon cable and ended in an IDC style socket. I just soldered up the ribbon cable to the back of the ZIF (well, I mounted it on some veroboard) and then routed it through the IDC. It takes about 5 minutes of figuring out to make sure that you're not crossing pins between the ZIF and the IDC part and then it's just soldering.
The benefit being that you insert the delicate Fluke pod into the ZIF socket, and then use the IDC as a sacrificial connector. If/when the pins on the IDC socket bend beyond repair, just un-clip the top, replace the socket (about £1.50 from Farnell for a 40 pin) and you're good to go. The 68k saver was a bit more tricky as it took me some time to find the right sized parts but it's guaranteed a lot cheaper/simpler than having to replace a pod header :)
I've got pics somewhere I could look for and stick on the web somewhere.
cheers tim
On 8 June 2010 19:45, Colin Davies <colin.w.davies@btopenworld.com> wrote:
Is there a fairly cheap alternative to this RED socket , before I start
making a fancy adaptor up using back to back sockets
and replaceable strips of pins...
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Quick update.... I've bought a Zif Socket and some bits and bobs to make a decent adaptor up - Thanks Guys.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Matthews" <trmatthe@gmail.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 9:49 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke Pods to Turned Pin Sockets - Help !! That's the drawback with this approach, but a) I was lucky and found some non-RoHS ZIFs that were being sold off cheap and b) even at £35 it's cheaper than buying a sacrificial pod to nick bits from :) I did find a source of 64pin sockets in 0.9" width suitable for 68k for under £1 each in multiples of 10. I think it was RS and need to refind the link so I can order some more. tim/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Another quick update.... I've made a BIG chunky adaptor up for the time being.... I will replace the Socket Strips on the Top (to take the Pod) with a Zif Socket when it arrives from Ebay Land.... (which is why I've left plenty on tail length on the Wire Wrap IC socket ) The Pins to the UUT can be easily replaced if and when they fail, as I've used Header Strips.... You just cut say 4 or 5 out, and replace.... I also chose to put the FAT ends of the pins into my wire wrap socket, and the thin pins to the UUT (so they come out first !!!) Pictures of my effort are here.... Its VERY sturdy and doesn't flex... and you get get your fat fingers in to remove it easily.... http://www.jammaplus.co.uk/forum/uploads/70/bigstiffadaptor1tm.JPG http://www.jammaplus.co.uk/forum/uploads/70/bigstiffadaptor2tm.JPG http://www.jammaplus.co.uk/forum/uploads/70/bigstiffadaptor3tm.JPG http://www.jammaplus.co.uk/forum/uploads/70/bigstiffadaptor4tm.JPG Sorry for poor quality, but they are not bad for my old camera phone... Must buy a digital camera sometime, lol !!! Does the Job well for now, and should last me a long while..... Do you guys like this idea ?? Cheers, Colin _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Hi Guys, Sorry for the BIG post ;-) This might be a bit of a *noob* silly question, but I'm having issues using my 9010a and 68000 pod doing a Rom Checksum on a working outrun board (to teach myself how to use it) Now.... I've used my 6502 pod in the past, with no issues whatsoever to test rams and roms, and am familiar how the 8 bit systems work, as I've programmed for them in the past/present..... BUT... This is the first time I've used the 68000 Pod, and I'm unsure of a couple of things..... ( I've no experience working with 16 bit cpu's ).... Initially I was wondering what had happened to A0 , and then after having a quick read up, it appears that its only used internally and the 'external' adresses go up in steps of 2 (hence A1>Axx).... Looking at Quater Arcades Scripting tool...It shows me a memory map of outrun.... based on Mame.... http://tech.quarterarcade.com/Tech/CodeGenerator/Default.aspx?g=1996&set=out... ########################################################################### RAM 0 - 3FFFF RAM1 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 60000 - 67FFF RAM2 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 60900 - 60907 RAM3 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 100000 - 10FFFF RAM4 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 110000 - 110FFF RAM5 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 120000 - 121FFF RAM6 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 130000 - 130FFF RAM7 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 140030 - 140031 RAM8 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 200000 - 23FFFF RAM9 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] 260000 - 267FFF RAM10 Calculated RAM. Confirm. [edit] [del] ROM 0 - FFFF BFDB 10380a Generated ROM test [edit] [del] 1 - 10000 18E 10382a Generated ROM test [edit] [del] 20000 - 2FFFF 90 10381a Generated ROM test [edit] [del] 20001 - 30000 731B 10383a Generated ROM test [edit] [del] ############################################################################### Right.... Down to some testing...... I'm not generating scripts and dumping to the fluke or doing any fancy tricks just yet, I'm just doing the standard Fast Ram / Rom tests from the keyboard to get a feel of the thing,get up to speed and how it works..... Rams.... ###### 60000-67FFF Tests the 4 Ram IC's next to CPU 1 - These are 8k chips and there are four of them - so that makes 32K x 8 Bits in my books (and from 8 bit experience - x0000 > x7fff is 32k of '8-bit' Ram Space.... I punch in Ram Fast Test.... 60000 > 67FFF and after a while it passes OK so this seems to work great..... I can also access the CPU2's Rams and test those too via shared memory.OK... (cant recall now, but I think at 260000 > 267FFFF) Roms.... ###### Here is where I am struggling..... I'll just cover two of the roms to keep things simple.... 0 - FFFF - Checksum = BFDB - Rom Name 10380a 1 - 10000 - Checksum = 18E - Rom Name 10382a Now these are 64k Roms x 8 bits each...... but I'm unable to run ROM tests here..... It fails on checksum....!!!!!!!!!! eg...I punch in... Rom Test 0 > FFFF - CSum BFDB , I get Fail and Rom Test 1 >10000 - CSum 18E - Fail.... I pretty well gave up here !!!!! (this is a working board with the right roms fitted). ############# If memory is accessed in steps of 2 (due to missing out A0) surely the CPU address range for the 1st 64k rom would be 0 > 1FFFF , so I should really tell the fluke to test 0 > 1FFFF (bfdb) and 1 > 20000 (18e) .... is this right ? or am I just going nuts and getting my bits all mixed up ? ( I've not tested this yet as my header socket needs swapping and repairing ).... If I'm wrong.... then what SHOULD I be punching in to the ROM test to test these two roms ???? (eg .. is there a step setting that I should be telling it ?) The Rams and Roms sit on the Bus in Pairs.... Top Pairs on Schems are D0>D7 and Bottom Pairs are D8>D15... Rams are A1>A13 (13 Lines - 8k ) and Roms are A1>A16 (16 lines - 64K) Any handy hints or tips or help to steer me in the right direction would be very much appreciated please, Thanks.... Regards, Colin _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Now these are 64k Roms x 8 bits each...... but I'm unable to run ROM tests here..... It fails on checksum....!!!!!!!!!!
Initial thoughts: Are QuarterArcade's checksum values verified? Different ROM rev perhaps? Any copy protection used on OutRun? Alex ---- ayeckley@elektronforge.com www.elektronforge.com _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Alex Yeckley wrote:
Now these are 64k Roms x 8 bits each...... but I'm unable to run ROM tests here..... It fails on checksum....!!!!!!!!!!
Initial thoughts: Are QuarterArcade's checksum values verified? Different ROM rev perhaps? Any copy protection used on OutRun?
Alex ---- ayeckley@elektronforge.com www.elektronforge.com
I like to write down the first few bytes (reading from burner or file copy) of any Eprom I am looking at with the Fluke 9010 so I can do a simple Fluke READ at the location I think the Eprom is at - then check the next few locations against the known contents of the Eprom (file) to verify that I have most likely found the Eprom memory location to run the Signature test. This is done after a Buss Test to make sure no control lines are held Hi/Lo that shouldn't be, and probably a RAM test to make sure that the address and data lines are toggling happily... The way to double check your Eprom Signature (remember that the Fluke 9010 uses Flukes own Signature, not Checksums for Eprom/ROM/PROMs unless you activate the Pod's Quick Test (if available)) is to read the Eprom on your burner, store the file, then generate the Signature using the ROM section of the FIDE Software section of: http://tech.quarterarcade.com/tech/ Very handy program, and thanks as always to James for hosting that! James, you might want to update your page: http://www.quarterarcade.com/Content/Articles/Confessions.aspx as it was written in 2001 when you just turned 30... John ;-#)# _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
I'll look into the checksums... there was a tool to generate ' FLUKE' style checksums , that I used a couple of years ago on and it worked... I assume QA has ran them through this algorithm.. I'm 99% sure it's the correct rom revision/s (as its printed on the Label/s) but I could pull and read in..... Outrun is not protected (Turbo Outrun is with an encrypted cpu) , but there is a custom chip that sits on the CPU bus's that handles a few things, However the address and data bus to the rams and roms come straight from the CPU....... Maybe I've chosen something tricky to start with ? I'm just hoping that its noob finger trouble and lack of understanding thats the isssue here, lol !! Regards, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alex Yeckley" <ayeckley@sierralobo.com> To: "'Technical Tools Mail List'" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:06 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom Testing on Outrun- help please !!
Now these are 64k Roms x 8 bits each...... but I'm unable to run ROM tests here..... It fails on checksum....!!!!!!!!!!
Initial thoughts: Are QuarterArcade's checksum values verified? Different ROM rev perhaps? Any copy protection used on OutRun?
Alex ---- ayeckley@elektronforge.com www.elektronforge.com
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I think the *main* thing that I need to get my head around when using the 68000 pod is that.... If I read 0 > xxxx I get the low (or high ?) 8 bits of the 16 bit data bus.. (0 > xxxx) and If I read 1 > xxxx +1 , I get the other 8 bits of the 16 bit data bus.. ( 0
xxxx)
Is that right ? - am I understanding this correctly ? or do I need to double the xxxx value to take care of the step of 2 ? (or am I just generally going nuts ?) Cheers, Colin ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Davies" <colin.w.davies@btopenworld.com> To: <ayeckley@sierralobo.com>; "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 09, 2010 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9010a 68000 Pod Eprom Testing onOutrun- help please !!
I'll look into the checksums... there was a tool to generate ' FLUKE' style checksums , that I used a couple of years ago on and it worked... I assume QA has ran them through this algorithm..
I'm 99% sure it's the correct rom revision/s (as its printed on the Label/s) but I could pull and read in.....
Outrun is not protected (Turbo Outrun is with an encrypted cpu) , but there is a custom chip that sits on the CPU bus's that handles a few things, However the address and data bus to the rams and roms come straight from the CPU....... Maybe I've chosen something tricky to start with ?
I'm just hoping that its noob finger trouble and lack of understanding thats the isssue here, lol !!
Regards, Colin
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Now these are 64k Roms x 8 bits each...... but I'm unable to run ROM tests here..... It fails on checksum....!!!!!!!!!!
Initial thoughts: Are QuarterArcade's checksum values verified? Different ROM rev perhaps? Any copy protection used on OutRun?
Alex ---- ayeckley@elektronforge.com www.elektronforge.com
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Danny Pearson wrote:
Hi guys, I've got a 9010 with a couple of bad characters (the first two) in the fluorescent display. Long shot I know but does anyone have a spare working display FS?
Cheers,
DanP
I should have a used spare display assembly that I can test and sell... Is it the display or one of the driver ICs for the display that is at fault? There is a display test in the TTL files - buried within the 9010 manual, that you can program in and run to have an idea of where the problem may lay. John :-#)# _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Hi John, yeah that was my first thought. Unfortunately it's not them (6118's), I swapped a couple around and the issue with the first 2 chars is still there. I even jumpered between a working char and a non working char, nothing. Jumpering from Char 1 to a free character works fine (I can see the 'F') so it's definitely the Fluorescent display that has the issue. Cheers, Dan -----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 14 June 2010 20:11 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] WTB 9010 fluorescent display Danny Pearson wrote:
Hi guys, I've got a 9010 with a couple of bad characters (the first two) in the fluorescent display. Long shot I know but does anyone have a spare working display FS?
Cheers,
DanP
I should have a used spare display assembly that I can test and sell... Is it the display or one of the driver ICs for the display that is at fault? There is a display test in the TTL files - buried within the 9010 manual, that you can program in and run to have an idea of where the problem may lay. John :-#)# _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Danny Pearson wrote:
Hi John, yeah that was my first thought. Unfortunately it's not them (6118's), I swapped a couple around and the issue with the first 2 chars is still there. I even jumpered between a working char and a non working char, nothing. Jumpering from Char 1 to a free character works fine (I can see the 'F') so it's definitely the Fluorescent display that has the issue.
Cheers,
Dan
If the display is dim you may be able to use a trick I found that works on Gottlieb (pinball) displays - namely you overvolt the filaments a bit to drive off impurities and the display may brighten up for a reasonable period of time (or it may die, depends...). With the Gottlieb displays the filaments are the first and last pins on the glass tube and I drive them to 12V - so they glow dimly red - and leave it there for just a couple of seconds. For the 9010 you will need to find out the filament voltage then using a variable supply run up the filaments until you see them glow, then try powering up the display to see if there is an improvement. Naturally the display module is unplugged from the 9010 during this process! Note there is a risk of destroying the display so this is a last-resort operation. John :-#)#
-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 14 June 2010 20:11 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] WTB 9010 fluorescent display
Danny Pearson wrote:
Hi guys, I've got a 9010 with a couple of bad characters (the first two)
in
the fluorescent display. Long shot I know but does anyone have a spare working display FS?
Cheers,
DanP
I should have a used spare display assembly that I can test and sell...
Is it the display or one of the driver ICs for the display that is at fault? There is a display test in the TTL files - buried within the 9010 manual, that you can program in and run to have an idea of where the problem may lay.
John :-#)#
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