FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION
HELP FOR FLUKE 9100 USER Need some help on an issue that has happened during power up on multiple Fluke 9100a or ft units that I tested.... if no pod is attached to 9100 during it comes up "no pod connected"..... if any pod is attached it comes up "enabled line caused timeout" any idea or help would be helpful..... AL SACCO _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
AL SACCO_hm wrote:
HELP FOR FLUKE 9100 USER
Need some help on an issue that has happened during power up on multiple Fluke 9100a or ft units that I tested.... if no pod is attached to 9100 during it comes up "no pod connected"..... if any pod is attached it comes up "enabled line caused timeout" any idea or help would be helpful.....
AL SACCO _______________________________________________
As I recall you can't hook up a pod while the power is on, only when off... John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Al, Do you have the ribbon cable in the test socket? If so, this is normal behavior. Martin. Sent from my iPhone On 29 Nov 2010, at 02:34, "AL SACCO_hm" <asacco007@hotmail.com> wrote:
HELP FOR FLUKE 9100 USER
Need some help on an issue that has happened during power up on multiple Fluke 9100a or ft units that I tested.... if no pod is attached to 9100 during it comes up "no pod connected"..... if any pod is attached it comes up "enabled line caused timeout" any idea or help would be helpful.....
AL SACCO _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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Seconded, normal behaviour. And for others - you can hot-swap pods no problems. -- Andrew Welburn http://www.andys-arcade.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <martin@guddler.co.uk> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION
Al,
Do you have the ribbon cable in the test socket? If so, this is normal behavior.
Martin.
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Andrew Welburn wrote:
Seconded, normal behaviour.
And for others - you can hot-swap pods no problems.
-- Andrew Welburn http://www.andys-arcade.com
That's good to know...now I am getting ready to experiment with converting a 9100 with a SCSI to Flash adapter kludge (SCSI to IDE to Flash)...but I need a disk image for 6.1 that is not serialized. Anyone have this? John :-#)#
----- Original Message ----- From: <martin@guddler.co.uk> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION
Al,
Do you have the ribbon cable in the test socket? If so, this is normal behavior.
Martin.
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-- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
I have an image for 6.1 1. How would I know if it's serialised? 2. My machine is an FT does it matter? 3. Related to point 2, it might matter that the image would be for a 60mb drive as that's what my scsi drive was before I went down the compact flash road. I'd be happy enough for the image to be used on an ad-hoc basis. Not so sure I'd be happy for it to be hosted for the whole world to grab. Not sure how that last paragraph will sit with people but I hope you'd understand. I have stuff on here I've put hard work into and there seems to be barely any sharing the love when it comes to 9100's :) Maybe that could change? Martin. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Nov 2010, at 15:52, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
Andrew Welburn wrote:
Seconded, normal behaviour.
And for others - you can hot-swap pods no problems.
-- Andrew Welburn http://www.andys-arcade.com
That's good to know...now I am getting ready to experiment with converting a 9100 with a SCSI to Flash adapter kludge (SCSI to IDE to Flash)...but I need a disk image for 6.1 that is not serialized. Anyone have this?
John :-#)#
----- Original Message ----- From: <martin@guddler.co.uk> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION
Al,
Do you have the ribbon cable in the test socket? If so, this is normal behavior.
Martin.
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_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
There's no love shared for the 9100 cos they're so damn hard to find. I'd readily share anything I did on one if I ever get one, but then I don't have anything to lose from sharing whereas a lot of people who already have them do (at a guess). Can you create an image an cut out the stuff you don't want to share? Be good to have a readily available vanilla image I'm sure. Dan -----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of martin@guddler.co.uk Sent: 30 November 2010 16:22 To: jrr@flippers.com; Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION I have an image for 6.1 1. How would I know if it's serialised? 2. My machine is an FT does it matter? 3. Related to point 2, it might matter that the image would be for a 60mb drive as that's what my scsi drive was before I went down the compact flash road. I'd be happy enough for the image to be used on an ad-hoc basis. Not so sure I'd be happy for it to be hosted for the whole world to grab. Not sure how that last paragraph will sit with people but I hope you'd understand. I have stuff on here I've put hard work into and there seems to be barely any sharing the love when it comes to 9100's :) Maybe that could change? Martin. Sent from my iPhone On 30 Nov 2010, at 15:52, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
Andrew Welburn wrote:
Seconded, normal behaviour.
And for others - you can hot-swap pods no problems.
-- Andrew Welburn http://www.andys-arcade.com
That's good to know...now I am getting ready to experiment with converting a 9100 with a SCSI to Flash adapter kludge (SCSI to IDE to Flash)...but I need a disk image for 6.1 that is not serialized. Anyone have this?
John :-#)#
----- Original Message ----- From: <martin@guddler.co.uk> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION
Al,
Do you have the ribbon cable in the test socket? If so, this is normal behavior.
Martin.
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-- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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I don't really want this to drag on, but briefly. They're not really that hard to get hold of. When I wanted one I asked on here, within no time (maybe 24h, I forget!) I had a response, a few more days payment was exchanged and within the week it had flown across the pond and was on my doorstep. Really wasn't difficult. Some time later another came up for sale on German eBay that I got for very, very little money £30? that one came with all the parallel and vector pods i could ever need. Sadly the 9100 unit itself turned up smashed to pieces due to lack of packing. Including a destroyed display and a motherboard that blows the house fuse!! Totally beyond repair. Good for some spares though. As far as the image goes, yeah, it's technically possible, but only in the same way as it's technically possible to take an image of an NTSC drive and edit it. Actually, that's a bad comparison as that IS possible with the Fuse NTFS driver and a loopback device mount. I looked into this when I first imaged my drive since I'd actually like to be able to do it. I believe there is an OS 9 (not Apple OS 9) file system driver available commercially for Windows. But it costs and I was rather skint after doing the conversion in the first place. I also suspect it was for floppies only and my PC doesn't have a native floppy. I may have another look. In theory all you need is a file system driver installed on a Linux box, mount the image and off you go. For now though, nope, can't modify the image even if I wanted to. Maybe every 6 months I take a backup image if I remember and that's as far as it goes. Martin. On 30 Nov 2010, at 17:06, Danny Pearson wrote:
There's no love shared for the 9100 cos they're so damn hard to find. I'd readily share anything I did on one if I ever get one, but then I don't have anything to lose from sharing whereas a lot of people who already have them do (at a guess).
Can you create an image an cut out the stuff you don't want to share? Be good to have a readily available vanilla image I'm sure.
Dan
-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of martin@guddler.co.uk Sent: 30 November 2010 16:22 To: jrr@flippers.com; Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION
I have an image for 6.1
1. How would I know if it's serialised? 2. My machine is an FT does it matter? 3. Related to point 2, it might matter that the image would be for a 60mb drive as that's what my scsi drive was before I went down the compact flash road.
I'd be happy enough for the image to be used on an ad-hoc basis. Not so sure I'd be happy for it to be hosted for the whole world to grab.
Not sure how that last paragraph will sit with people but I hope you'd understand. I have stuff on here I've put hard work into and there seems to be barely any sharing the love when it comes to 9100's :)
Maybe that could change?
Martin.
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To be honest, the route I took is probably out of date by now and it's probably worth researching again as better parts may now be available! You'll probably find a lot of this already in the tech tools mailing list archives. Off the top of my head though... I bought a SCSI to PCMCIA adapter that came in a 5.25" bay from a seller on eBay who was selling them for use with Synthesisers. He happened to have 1 left. It actually came in an external case but that was discarded. Next I bought, again off eBay a PCMCIA to Compact Flash adapter and a couple of second hand compact flash cards - I must have been feeling really tight at the time! Installing was a simple case of just plugging it all together. Imaging the drive was the bit where it could have all gone horribly wrong but I had the common sense to not put the hard drive anywhere near a Windows PC. I remember putting the drive into my PC and booting it into linux or it may have been OS X seeing as I use a PC running OS X. I guess I must have had a scsi card kicking around somewhere that linux liked as it's not something that I would normally have installed. To actually produce the image I just did a raw 'dd' at block level of the entire drive "dd if='/dev/sda' of=fname bs=4096" or something presumably. The hard drive was then safely put on the shelf where it's stayed ever since. Restoring the image to the compact flash card will have been a reverse of the procedure. You obviously loose any unused CF card space though. Not a problem to me. Now I have a couple of 60MB hard drives that can just be swapped about at will. Not that I do, but they COULD :o) I don't remember any issues or gotchas and I seem to remember that it all just worked first time. If I was doing it again then maybe I'd see if there was a SCSI to IDE solution or something. I used PCMCIA because it's what came up at the time. Hope that's of some help. Martin. On 30 Nov 2010, at 19:28, Martin White wrote:
I don't really want this to drag on, but briefly.
They're not really that hard to get hold of. When I wanted one I asked on here, within no time (maybe 24h, I forget!) I had a response, a few more days payment was exchanged and within the week it had flown across the pond and was on my doorstep. Really wasn't difficult.
Some time later another came up for sale on German eBay that I got for very, very little money £30? that one came with all the parallel and vector pods i could ever need. Sadly the 9100 unit itself turned up smashed to pieces due to lack of packing. Including a destroyed display and a motherboard that blows the house fuse!! Totally beyond repair. Good for some spares though.
As far as the image goes, yeah, it's technically possible, but only in the same way as it's technically possible to take an image of an NTSC drive and edit it. Actually, that's a bad comparison as that IS possible with the Fuse NTFS driver and a loopback device mount.
I looked into this when I first imaged my drive since I'd actually like to be able to do it. I believe there is an OS 9 (not Apple OS 9) file system driver available commercially for Windows. But it costs and I was rather skint after doing the conversion in the first place. I also suspect it was for floppies only and my PC doesn't have a native floppy. I may have another look. In theory all you need is a file system driver installed on a Linux box, mount the image and off you go.
For now though, nope, can't modify the image even if I wanted to. Maybe every 6 months I take a backup image if I remember and that's as far as it goes.
Martin.
On 30 Nov 2010, at 17:06, Danny Pearson wrote:
There's no love shared for the 9100 cos they're so damn hard to find. I'd readily share anything I did on one if I ever get one, but then I don't have anything to lose from sharing whereas a lot of people who already have them do (at a guess).
Can you create an image an cut out the stuff you don't want to share? Be good to have a readily available vanilla image I'm sure.
Dan
-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of martin@guddler.co.uk Sent: 30 November 2010 16:22 To: jrr@flippers.com; Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION
I have an image for 6.1
1. How would I know if it's serialised? 2. My machine is an FT does it matter? 3. Related to point 2, it might matter that the image would be for a 60mb drive as that's what my scsi drive was before I went down the compact flash road.
I'd be happy enough for the image to be used on an ad-hoc basis. Not so sure I'd be happy for it to be hosted for the whole world to grab.
Not sure how that last paragraph will sit with people but I hope you'd understand. I have stuff on here I've put hard work into and there seems to be barely any sharing the love when it comes to 9100's :)
Maybe that could change?
Martin.
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martin@guddler.co.uk wrote:
I have an image for 6.1
1. How would I know if it's serialised? 2. My machine is an FT does it matter? 3. Related to point 2, it might matter that the image would be for a 60mb drive as that's what my scsi drive was before I went down the compact flash road.
I'd be happy enough for the image to be used on an ad-hoc basis. Not so sure I'd be happy for it to be hosted for the whole world to grab.
Not sure how that last paragraph will sit with people but I hope you'd understand. I have stuff on here I've put hard work into and there seems to be barely any sharing the love when it comes to 9100's :)
Maybe that could change?
Martin.
Sent from my iPhone
Hi Martin (& all), I have now just realized that putting the operating system on flash will make the 9100 useful to my shop - for the last number of years (since around 2003) I've not even turned on the 9100's that I own, preferring to use the 9010s as I was concerned about SCSI drive failures...now that SCSI to CF exists (need to find out more on that) and that one can actually hot swap pods (I really didn't know that!) it appears that the 9100 would be more useful indeed. Anything you care to share about the SCSI-CF interface you are using and any problems (if any) would be appreciated. I have three or four of the 9100s but only one is programmable. Wish I had a faster unit, but for what I do the original series should be just fine. Time for me to start writing and sharing test routines again. John :-#)#
On 30 Nov 2010, at 15:52, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
Andrew Welburn wrote:
Seconded, normal behaviour.
And for others - you can hot-swap pods no problems.
-- Andrew Welburn http://www.andys-arcade.com
That's good to know...now I am getting ready to experiment with converting a 9100 with a SCSI to Flash adapter kludge (SCSI to IDE to Flash)...but I need a disk image for 6.1 that is not serialized. Anyone have this?
John :-#)#
----- Original Message ----- From: <martin@guddler.co.uk> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, November 29, 2010 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] FLUKE 9100A SERIES QUESTION
Al,
Do you have the ribbon cable in the test socket? If so, this is normal behavior.
Martin.
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