Andre Huijts wrote:

I decided to write back the 6.1 images on my 6.0 floppies because 6.0 is archived and safe anyway.

I succesfully booted the system but it does show errors during boot up. HOWEVER, this also happens with BOTH of the original 6.1 floppies I have. I believe that (at least some) errors are there because of me removing the SCSI cable from the HD. Since the interface is still installed (and maybe some dip-switch setting?) I think the 9100 assumes the HD still to be there....

Anyway, I think Samdisk did a perfect job, the errors are not to blame on the program.

One question:

I still have another set of 6.0 but it has hand-written "9105" on it. I THINK that this was only just to indicate to which system this set was delivered or that it "belonged" to the 9105. Can anyone confirm there is no difference between V6.0 for the 9105 and 9100 ?

I can try to boot from those disks and see if that boots error free.

I could make a video of the boot process.

I too have had success with SAMdisk - extracted the TTL original 6.1 floppies from the zip file and was able to write them to fresh floppies (with errors ignored by SAMdisk) and then able to boot my 9100FT with them. What appears to be serialized is the TTL 9100 6.1 SERVICE disc, these are matched to their machines and I did not work from a backup copy back in the early 00s when this discussion was on. I'm going to look inside that file (HexEdit) to see if the serial spot is obvious or not and if so, try setting it to 0000 or FFFF to see if that clears it. John :-#)#

Op 21 nov. 2012, om 19:03 heeft Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> het volgende geschreven:

...

I just deinstalled the special drivers for Omniflop and rebooted my PC, this automatically reinstalled the default windows drivers for the floppy drive.

Then installed the fdrawcmd.sys file and copied Samdisk to my C: root.

Started a command box and fiddled around with some of the commands.

I got this info when doing the scan command:

83 Cyls, 2 heads: 250Kbps MFM, 16 sectors, 256 bytes/'sector

Then it started a list of what looks like info per track: 0.0 0 8 1 9 2 10 3 11 4 12 5 13 6 14 7 15 1.0 0 8 1 9 2 10 3 11 4 12 5 13 6 14 7 15

The first digit is the tracknr., the second the headnr. The other nrs are the sector numbers.

All tracks show the same info.

For tracks 80,81,82 it reports <blank> So it looks like the format is 80 tracks.

Also did a "view" command and to my amazement I got to see all the bytes in hex and ASCII per sector.....I could read some info that makes sense so I guess at least Samdisk is reading the discs correctly.

Now making images...

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David Shoemaker wrote:

Do I need the service disk to format my machine to use 6.1?

Unfortunately the answer is Yes - you need a unserialized Service Disc for 6.0 or 6.1 to format your drive or CFC card. I don't know if there is a workaround other than a good image from a 6.1 drive - like one I have but haven't gotten around to uploading to TTL yet. You would need to use some image software like Miray's HDClone, or the free(?) Dolly, or similar. OSX folks may be able to use the Disk Utility to make the image, but you will need SCSI if formatting a drive, but you should be able to use one of those USB to IDE adapters otherwise. I'm not having any luck yet with using a CF and my SCSI to IDE adapter - which works fine with hard drives, but can't handle the CF for some reason... Trying to track a copy of Service 6.1 down. Mucking with the Serialized copy on TTL gives me CRC errors so I can't fix it easily. Looks like each sector is C6Fh in length - not sure where the serial is added though...darn. John :-#)#

-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:20 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Samdisk looks very promising...

Andre Huijts wrote:

...

I decided to write back the 6.1 images on my 6.0 floppies because 6.0 is

archived and safe anyway.

...

I succesfully booted the system but it does show errors during boot up.

HOWEVER, this also happens with BOTH of the original 6.1 floppies I have.

...

I believe that (at least some) errors are there because of me removing the

SCSI cable from the HD. Since the interface is still installed (and maybe some dip-switch setting?) I think the 9100 assumes the HD still to be there....

...

Anyway, I think Samdisk did a perfect job, the errors are not to blame on

the program.

...

One question:

I still have another set of 6.0 but it has hand-written "9105" on it. I

THINK that this was only just to indicate to which system this set was delivered or that it "belonged" to the 9105.

...

Can anyone confirm there is no difference between V6.0 for the 9105 and

9100 ?

...

I can try to boot from those disks and see if that boots error free.

I could make a video of the boot process.

I too have had success with SAMdisk - extracted the TTL original 6.1 floppies from the zip file and was able to write them to fresh floppies (with errors ignored by SAMdisk) and then able to boot my 9100FT with them.

What appears to be serialized is the TTL 9100 6.1 SERVICE disc, these are matched to their machines and I did not work from a backup copy back in the early 00s when this discussion was on.

I'm going to look inside that file (HexEdit) to see if the serial spot is obvious or not and if so, try setting it to 0000 or FFFF to see if that clears it.

John :-#)#

...

Op 21 nov. 2012, om 19:03 heeft Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> het

volgende geschreven:

...

...

I just deinstalled the special drivers for Omniflop and rebooted my PC,

this automatically reinstalled the default windows drivers for the floppy drive.

...

...

Then installed the fdrawcmd.sys file and copied Samdisk to my C: root.

Started a command box and fiddled around with some of the commands.

I got this info when doing the scan command:

83 Cyls, 2 heads: 250Kbps MFM, 16 sectors, 256 bytes/'sector

Then it started a list of what looks like info per track: 0.0 0 8 1 9 2 10 3 11 4 12 5 13 6 14 7 15 1.0 0 8 1 9 2 10 3 11 4 12 5 13 6 14 7 15

The first digit is the tracknr., the second the headnr. The other nrs are

the sector numbers.

...

...

All tracks show the same info.

For tracks 80,81,82 it reports <blank> So it looks like the format is 80 tracks.

Also did a "view" command and to my amazement I got to see all the bytes

in hex and ASCII per sector.....I could read some info that makes sense so I guess at least Samdisk is reading the discs correctly.

...

...

Now making images...

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If anyone could tell me how I can see a directory of a floppy on the 9100 (got my monitor running) I could check all my other disks to see what I have. What I don't have is an official Fluke 6.1 Service disk, maybe one of the handwritten or blank labelled disks has that....

From a friend I got two PCI SCSI cards, one Adaptec AHA-2940 the other Adaptec AVA-2904 which I can install in my PC to make an image of my 9100 Harddrive. I'll have to figure out about drivers etc. though, it has been quite some time since I worked with SCSI on my Atari ST.

I could drop a note to Fluke Holland to ask if they still can provide a 6.1 Service disk.... Verstuurd vanaf mijn iPad Op 27 nov. 2012 om 05:00 heeft "David Shoemaker" <davids@oz.net> het volgende geschreven:

I have a local friend who works at Fluke. I sent a hail marry mail to him. Cross your fingers :)

David

-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:09 PM To: techtoolslist@flippers.com Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Samdisk looks very promising...

David Shoemaker wrote:

...

Do I need the service disk to format my machine to use 6.1?

Unfortunately the answer is Yes - you need a unserialized Service Disc for 6.0 or 6.1 to format your drive or CFC card. I don't know if there is a workaround other than a good image from a 6.1 drive - like one I have but haven't gotten around to uploading to TTL yet. You would need to use some image software like Miray's HDClone, or the free(?) Dolly, or similar. OSX folks may be able to use the Disk Utility to make the image, but you will need SCSI if formatting a drive, but you should be able to use one of those USB to IDE adapters otherwise.

I'm not having any luck yet with using a CF and my SCSI to IDE adapter - which works fine with hard drives, but can't handle the CF for some reason...

Trying to track a copy of Service 6.1 down. Mucking with the Serialized copy on TTL gives me CRC errors so I can't fix it easily. Looks like each sector is C6Fh in length - not sure where the serial is added though...darn.

John :-#)#

...

-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 3:20 PM To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Samdisk looks very promising...

Andre Huijts wrote:

...

I decided to write back the 6.1 images on my 6.0 floppies because 6.0 is archived and safe anyway.

...

I succesfully booted the system but it does show errors during boot up. HOWEVER, this also happens with BOTH of the original 6.1 floppies I have.

...

I believe that (at least some) errors are there because of me removing the SCSI cable from the HD. Since the interface is still installed (and maybe some dip-switch setting?) I think the 9100 assumes the HD still to be there....

...

Anyway, I think Samdisk did a perfect job, the errors are not to blame on the program.

...

One question:

I still have another set of 6.0 but it has hand-written "9105" on it. I THINK that this was only just to indicate to which system this set was delivered or that it "belonged" to the 9105.

...

Can anyone confirm there is no difference between V6.0 for the 9105 and 9100 ?

...

I can try to boot from those disks and see if that boots error free.

I could make a video of the boot process. I too have had success with SAMdisk - extracted the TTL original 6.1 floppies from the zip file and was able to write them to fresh floppies (with errors ignored by SAMdisk) and then able to boot my 9100FT with them.

What appears to be serialized is the TTL 9100 6.1 SERVICE disc, these are matched to their machines and I did not work from a backup copy back in the early 00s when this discussion was on.

I'm going to look inside that file (HexEdit) to see if the serial spot is obvious or not and if so, try setting it to 0000 or FFFF to see if that clears it.

John :-#)#

...

Op 21 nov. 2012, om 19:03 heeft Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> het volgende geschreven:

...

...

I just deinstalled the special drivers for Omniflop and rebooted my PC,

this automatically reinstalled the default windows drivers for the floppy drive.

...

...

Then installed the fdrawcmd.sys file and copied Samdisk to my C: root.

Started a command box and fiddled around with some of the commands.

I got this info when doing the scan command:

83 Cyls, 2 heads: 250Kbps MFM, 16 sectors, 256 bytes/'sector

Then it started a list of what looks like info per track: 0.0 0 8 1 9 2 10 3 11 4 12 5 13 6 14 7 15 1.0 0 8 1 9 2 10 3 11 4 12 5 13 6 14 7 15

The first digit is the tracknr., the second the headnr. The other nrs are the sector numbers.

...

...

All tracks show the same info.

For tracks 80,81,82 it reports <blank> So it looks like the format is 80 tracks.

Also did a "view" command and to my amazement I got to see all the bytes in hex and ASCII per sector.....I could read some info that makes sense so I guess at least Samdisk is reading the discs correctly.

...

...

Now making images...

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Andrew Welburn wrote:

On 27/11/2012 03:08, John Robertson wrote:

...

David Shoemaker wrote:

...

Do I need the service disk to format my machine to use 6.1?

Unfortunately the answer is Yes - you need a unserialized Service Disc for 6.0 or 6.1 to format your drive or CFC card.

I used the 1.4 service disk to install 6.0 on my fluke... as noted on my webpage : http://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm

so i guess the 1.4 service disk is 'unserialised'. I keep hearing mention of serialisation, but to this point have not come up against problems with it at all.

What is interesting about the 1.4 service disk vs. the serialized 6.0 service disk is the 6.0 has a much more extensive directory (from the image file). Unfortunately the serialization of that drive is the problem...and ahving five 9100s I've forgotten WHICH machine the disc was serialized for! Am going to figure that out shortly and then play with the serial numbers or hand the project off to someone who is more familiar with monkeying with this sort of thing. Where is Corey Stupp these days anyway! John :-#)#

...

Andrew Welburn http://www.andys-arcade.com

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Colin Davies wrote:

Is it possible to clone the Serial Number so all 9100's look the same/have same serial ? - It must be stored somewhere ?

That is what I am hoping to do. There is a NVRAM (8-pin X2444) device on the motherboard that holds (I suspect) the serial number. However only one of my other 9100s are working, so have to service these to see if the serial number is tucked away there... I did this way back in 2002 (find two of them here /Fluke/9100A/9100Base/9100 EEPROM copies.zip) but got busy with other projects and never finished the job... 10 years isn't too bad, is it? John :-#)#

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...

Andrew Welburn wrote:

...

On 27/11/2012 03:08, John Robertson wrote:

...

David Shoemaker wrote:

...

Do I need the service disk to format my machine to use 6.1?

Unfortunately the answer is Yes - you need a unserialized Service Disc for 6.0 or 6.1 to format your drive or CFC card.

I used the 1.4 service disk to install 6.0 on my fluke... as noted on my webpage : http://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm

so i guess the 1.4 service disk is 'unserialised'. I keep hearing mention of serialisation, but to this point have not come up against problems with it at all.

What is interesting about the 1.4 service disk vs. the serialized 6.0 service disk is the 6.0 has a much more extensive directory (from the image file). Unfortunately the serialization of that drive is the problem...and ahving five 9100s I've forgotten WHICH machine the disc was serialized for! Am going to figure that out shortly and then play with the serial numbers or hand the project off to someone who is more familiar with monkeying with this sort of thing.

Where is Corey Stupp these days anyway!

John :-#)#

...

...

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Andrew Welburn wrote:

On 27/11/2012 03:08, John Robertson wrote:

...

David Shoemaker wrote:

...

Do I need the service disk to format my machine to use 6.1?

Unfortunately the answer is Yes - you need a unserialized Service Disc for 6.0 or 6.1 to format your drive or CFC card.

I used the 1.4 service disk to install 6.0 on my fluke... as noted on my webpage : http://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm

so i guess the 1.4 service disk is 'unserialised'. I keep hearing mention of serialisation, but to this point have not come up against problems with it at all.

[snip]

...

I'm not having any luck yet with using a CF and my SCSI to IDE adapter - which works fine with hard drives, but can't handle the CF for some reason...

Which SCSI adapter are you using? for future reference...

I've just bought an Aztec Monster CF adapter and i'm hoping it'll go smoothly. I have a 9105 arrived (but damaged in the post :( ) that i need to strip and use to fix two other 9100's, hopefully this week!

Andrew Welburn http://www.andys-arcade.com

How did your Aztec Monster work out? Mine isn't happy...get the following error message on several different 9100s: Error Setting 512/Sector Format sensekey: 05 additional: 26 I've tried the jumper at both "T" and "1", plus I've tried a Transcend 128mb (80X) and SandDisk 1GB CF cards. I also sometimes get sector errors when attempting to format the CF cards. Emailed the designer and he said to use a smaller and slower CF (at that time I only had found a 1GB CF), so I then tried the Transcend 128mb card (no change). John :-#(# _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/