Thanks Tony, the system was in storage for five years, prior to storage it was fully functional. Recently I started the Fluke 9100FT and received the following message:please replace battrey in real time clock. The system failed to go beyond this message with no further function of keys or drives, and nor the slightest inclination to boot from the floppy drive, when I pressed:soft key,F2 &F4. When I removed the SCSI card and started the system, it asked me for the system disk, once all programs were loaded ,once again it would go into an unresponsive state. I tried the service disks not knowing the credibility of the download, trying to access the time function, once again some functions were working some not. Many thanks for your help. -- Regards, Kevit Desai Tel: Mobile: +254 722 517067 _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:24 AM Kevit Desai <kevitdesai@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Tony, the system was in storage for five years, prior to storage it was fully functional. Recently I started the Fluke 9100FT and received the following message:please replace battrey in real time clock. The system failed to go beyond this message with no further function of keys or drives, and nor the slightest inclination to boot from the floppy drive, when I pressed:soft key,F2 &F4.
So from the beginning you had this hanging issue. This was not clear in your previous posts! You have an issue unrelated to the RTC. The system should continue to boot after displaying the RTC message. When I removed the SCSI card and started the system, it asked me for the
system disk, once all programs were loaded ,once again it would go into an unresponsive state.
This is not good. I tried the service disks not knowing the credibility
of the download, trying to access the time function, once again some functions were working some not.
V6 of the service disc is here: https://github.com/ieure/fluke-9100-disk-archive/tree/master/NON-FACTORY/910... The above site is the resource I would recommend for all disc images. The above is a working (unlocked) image. However certain functions work on only certain versions of discs, iirc the video test isn't enabled on v6 but is on earlier. Not sure what is causing the hang, maybe someone else does? _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Kevit, Do you hear the hard drive spin up when you turn on the 9100? The hanging during boot up could be the 9100 waiting for the hard drive to get to a ready state. Chris On Wednesday, March 16, 2022, 1:44 PM, Kevit Desai <kevitdesai@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks Tony, the system was in storage for five years, prior to storage it was fully functional. Recently I started the Fluke 9100FT and received the following message:please replace battrey in real time clock. The system failed to go beyond this message with no further function of keys or drives, and nor the slightest inclination to boot from the floppy drive, when I pressed:soft key,F2 &F4. When I removed the SCSI card and started the system, it asked me for the system disk, once all programs were loaded ,once again it would go into an unresponsive state. I tried the service disks not knowing the credibility of the download, trying to access the time function, once again some functions were working some not. Many thanks for your help. -- Regards, Kevit Desai Tel: Mobile: +254 722 517067 _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Thanks Chris, i do hear the hard disk spin on power up, the hum is constant at a low level. Tony the disks I use were from the exact same link. Version 6 Service. -- Regards, Kevit Desai Tel: Mobile: +254 722 517067 _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 9:17 PM Kevit Desai <kevitdesai@gmail.com> wrote:
Tony the disks I use were from the exact same link. Version 6 Service.
The fact that if you remove the scsi card (eliminating the HDD and RTC as possible factors) and boot the system from the 3 system floppies and it hangs on completion in the same manner indicates (to me) a hardware problem. I'm not sure how much RAM is installed, you could try rotating simms or reducing what is installed (via removal and service disk) and see if this changes it. On the topic of the service floppy. It didn't sound like you were able to boot the service floppy (using soft f2 f4) with the scsi card installed which is odd. Are you sure you are pressing the keys correctly and early enough? You need to do it when the memory test runs. Regardless it seems you could boot the 3 system floppies if you removed the scsi card (but it hung) what about booting the service floppy? Does it boot without hanging? Do the settings look correct? _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Thanks Tony, I have 4 sims installed, i believe 4 mega bytes, this is also indicated on startup. I did try swapping ,rotating and reducing the sims, but observed no change. I am not able to boot with the scsi card installed, when I remove it i am able to boot from the service disk and also install system software. Yes i did press the relevant keys in both scenarios and no success from booting with the SCSI installed. Yes the settings look correct. Is there a way to do a hard reset which takes the system back to factory settings? And for me to renter all data? I highly suspect a memory issue and therefore suspect u26 and u36, are the checksums available? -- Regards, Kevit Desai Tel: Mobile: +254 722 517067 _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
I would convert the Spinny HDD to a CF Card. Andy's Arcade has a premade 64mb CF Card Image -> https://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm maybe it is possible the system is failing to start because of a Disk I/O Error? William Stillwell On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 2:59 AM Kevit Desai <kevitdesai@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Tony, I have 4 sims installed, i believe 4 mega bytes, this is also indicated on startup. I did try swapping ,rotating and reducing the sims, but observed no change. I am not able to boot with the scsi card installed, when I remove it i am able to boot from the service disk and also install system software. Yes i did press the relevant keys in both scenarios and no success from booting with the SCSI installed. Yes the settings look correct. Is there a way to do a hard reset which takes the system back to factory settings? And for me to renter all data? I highly suspect a memory issue and therefore suspect u26 and u36, are the checksums available? --
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 7:17 AM William Stillwell <ki4swy@gmail.com> wrote:
I would convert the Spinny HDD to a CF Card.
Andy's Arcade has a premade 64mb CF Card Image ->
https://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm
This is ancient. The scsi2sd solution has long obsoleted this. maybe it is possible the system is failing to start because of a Disk I/O
Error?
It should be possible to boot the system normally using just the 3 floppies and he reports this also fails. Maybe his system floppies are bad and so is the HDD. Anything is possible. Kevil since you can boot the service disk with the scsi card removed (it is very odd you cannot using soft f2 f4) I would suggest enabling the reporting of Io errors. See if this helps. Tony
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How is the image obsolete? I used it on my scsi2sd . ( FYI, scsi2sd is also obsolete now, everyone is going to RaSCSI ) William Stillwell On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 10:53 AM Tony Jones <tony@tonyjones.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 7:17 AM William Stillwell <ki4swy@gmail.com> wrote:
I would convert the Spinny HDD to a CF Card.
Andy's Arcade has a premade 64mb CF Card Image ->
https://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm
This is ancient. The scsi2sd solution has long obsoleted this.
maybe it is possible the system is failing to start because of a Disk I/O
Error?
It should be possible to boot the system normally using just the 3 floppies and he reports this also fails.
Maybe his system floppies are bad and so is the HDD. Anything is possible.
Kevil since you can boot the service disk with the scsi card removed (it is very odd you cannot using soft f2 f4) I would suggest enabling the reporting of Io errors. See if this helps.
Tony
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:00 AM William Stillwell <ki4swy@gmail.com> wrote:
How is the image obsolete? I used it on my scsi2sd . ( FYI, scsi2sd is also obsolete now, everyone is going to RaSCSI )
I was commenting on "I would convert the Spinny HDD to a ***CF Card***" . No clue on RaSCSI, doesn't that require at least a Raspberry Pi Zero in addition to the adapter? If so, not sure why that would make the SCSI2SD "obsolete". _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
I *think* Tony was referring to the PCMCIA to SCSI solution being obsolete (which it is). I admit, when I first read that, it took it as saying the SCSI2SD solution was obsolete and went "huh?" - and then read it again, "has obsoleted" not "has been obsoleted". But, I'm not sure I'd agree with your take that RaSCSI has obsoleted SCSI2SD, but that's another discussion altogether :) ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Stillwell" <ki4swy@gmail.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2022 10:00:30 AM Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] 9100FT RTC How is the image obsolete? I used it on my scsi2sd . ( FYI, scsi2sd is also obsolete now, everyone is going to RaSCSI ) William Stillwell On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 10:53 AM Tony Jones <tony@tonyjones.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 7:17 AM William Stillwell <ki4swy@gmail.com> wrote:
I would convert the Spinny HDD to a CF Card.
Andy's Arcade has a premade 64mb CF Card Image ->
https://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm
This is ancient. The scsi2sd solution has long obsoleted this.
maybe it is possible the system is failing to start because of a Disk I/O
Error?
It should be possible to boot the system normally using just the 3 floppies and he reports this also fails.
Maybe his system floppies are bad and so is the HDD. Anything is possible.
Kevil since you can boot the service disk with the scsi card removed (it is very odd you cannot using soft f2 f4) I would suggest enabling the reporting of Io errors. See if this helps.
Tony
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Went and looked at the latest SCSI2HD offerings -- the V6 now has synchronous transfers! (probably not applicable here but years ago I was a scsi driver/firmware developer -- so a scsi nerd). Sadly the V6 cards are all out of stock (as are the V5.x cards I checked). I hadn't heard of the RaSCSI stuff but picked up a pi hat to play with. Has anyone tried it on their 9100? --Kurt On 3/17/22 09:27, Brad Gass via Techtoolslist wrote:
I *think* Tony was referring to the PCMCIA to SCSI solution being obsolete (which it is).
I admit, when I first read that, it took it as saying the SCSI2SD solution was obsolete and went "huh?" - and then read it again, "has obsoleted" not "has been obsoleted".
But, I'm not sure I'd agree with your take that RaSCSI has obsoleted SCSI2SD, but that's another discussion altogether :)
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How is the image obsolete? I used it on my scsi2sd . ( FYI, scsi2sd is also obsolete now, everyone is going to RaSCSI )
William Stillwell
On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 10:53 AM Tony Jones <tony@tonyjones.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 17, 2022, 7:17 AM William Stillwell <ki4swy@gmail.com> wrote:
I would convert the Spinny HDD to a CF Card.
Andy's Arcade has a premade 64mb CF Card Image ->
https://www.andysarcade.net/personal/tech/fluke9100/index.htm
This is ancient. The scsi2sd solution has long obsoleted this.
maybe it is possible the system is failing to start because of a Disk I/O
Error?
It should be possible to boot the system normally using just the 3 floppies and he reports this also fails.
Maybe his system floppies are bad and so is the HDD. Anything is possible.
Kevil since you can boot the service disk with the scsi card removed (it is very odd you cannot using soft f2 f4) I would suggest enabling the reporting of Io errors. See if this helps.
Tony
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2022 at 8:27 AM Brad Gass via Techtoolslist < techtoolslist@flippers.com> wrote:
I *think* Tony was referring to the PCMCIA to SCSI solution being obsolete (which it is).
Your thinking is correct ;-) _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:59 PM Kevit Desai <kevitdesai@gmail.com> wrote:
I am not able to boot with the scsi card installed, when I remove it i am able to boot from the service disk and also install system software.
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "install system software". a) you cannot do that if you have he SCSI card removed b) previously you said (with the SCSI card removed) if you tried to boot from floppy using the 3 system floppies it would hang at the end of this boot.. At this point I would do the following: 1. Remove scsi card. 2. Boot service floppy and enable i/o error reporting 3. With scsi card still removed, boot from the 3 system floppies. Does it boot into normal operation? If you're getting i/o errors you may have bad floppies and bad HDD. Get a SCSI2SD and use the image William pointed you to. Also buy a Gotek to replace the floppy. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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