Re: [Techtoolslist] POLL: Re: FS...
Not to drag this "non-techtools" topic on too long. But how 'bout we just can the whole idea of doing a FS: or especially a FA: - In my opinion, there is always the unspoken rule that if you REALLY DO have something of interest to sell, such as a motherload of Atari CAT Boxes you can go ahead and "Mention it". But I think most of us aren't too interested in relatively easy to find stuff. Matt _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
OK, poll closed. No FS: or FA: to be posted on TTL. Thanks for the posts and emails folks! John :-#)# _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
No FA: or FS: is my choice. Phil
-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com]On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 20 September 2006 20:43 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS:
OK, poll closed.
No FS: or FA: to be posted on TTL.
Thanks for the posts and emails folks!
John :-#)#
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John, I hope you continue to allow the mention and or listing of some equipment/material that is related. I recall one person discovered a pile of Fluke equipment and modules that was virtually considered a gold mine. That was, and is a very constructive use of the board in the interest of the community. What I was objecting to was the Spam style ads, which are irrelevant to the industry. As I stated, I have a warehouse of stuff to liquidate, I question the wisdom of listing pages of "stuff" for sale here. That was my objection, as I would guess most others that monitor the board. Until this F-5 ad, things were going along rather smoothly being a low volume board. Personally, I and would guess most, don't have time to start scanning lists of sale items for something relevant along with other discussions. Perhaps you could start another board that list only items for sale, that would be a venue all to sell listing in more detail equipment, parts, or anything else. This seems to be a rather small community so I would question the wisdom of just saying "no" across the board. At least let it continue as it was, and if someone abuses it, slap them on the wrist, if needed, pull their plug ! A thought. Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Eaton" <inbox@phillipeaton.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS:
No FA: or FS: is my choice.
Phil
-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com]On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 20 September 2006 20:43 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS:
OK, poll closed.
No FS: or FA: to be posted on TTL.
Thanks for the posts and emails folks!
John :-#)#
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Deals that are special to members of TTL are fine, just general FS or FA won't. If someone isn't sure if their post if OK, simply email me and I'll let you know if it fits within the rather flexible parameters. Mostly I suspect people don't want mailboxes full of FS/FA that are just as easy to find elsewhere. If you have some good test equipment things you want to clear out, then I suspect that most people would be OK with a very brief note that folks can email privately or discuss on the list if they think it is of general interest. Yes, and the list of Fluke stuff was of interest to the group - or a reasonable sub-set. I think the the News Group sci.electronics.misc is a good place to sell stuff, and I read sci.electronics.repair as well. sci.electronics.components on a regular basis. John At 4:07 PM -0400 9/20/06, Phil wrote:
John, I hope you continue to allow the mention and or listing of some equipment/material that is related. I recall one person discovered a pile of Fluke equipment and modules that was virtually considered a gold mine. That was, and is a very constructive use of the board in the interest of the community.
What I was objecting to was the Spam style ads, which are irrelevant to the industry. As I stated, I have a warehouse of stuff to liquidate, I question the wisdom of listing pages of "stuff" for sale here. That was my objection, as I would guess most others that monitor the board.
Until this F-5 ad, things were going along rather smoothly being a low volume board. Personally, I and would guess most, don't have time to start scanning lists of sale items for something relevant along with other discussions.
Perhaps you could start another board that list only items for sale, that would be a venue all to sell listing in more detail equipment, parts, or anything else. This seems to be a rather small community so I would question the wisdom of just saying "no" across the board. At least let it continue as it was, and if someone abuses it, slap them on the wrist, if needed, pull their plug !
A thought. Phil.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillip Eaton" <inbox@phillipeaton.com> To: "Technical Tools Mail List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS:
No FA: or FS: is my choice.
Phil
-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com]On Behalf Of John Robertson Sent: 20 September 2006 20:43 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: [Techtoolslist] Poll closed! No to FA: or FS:
OK, poll closed.
No FS: or FA: to be posted on TTL.
Thanks for the posts and emails folks!
John :-#)#
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On Wed, Sep 20, 2006 at 01:26:24PM -0700, John Robertson wrote:
I think the the News Group sci.electronics.misc is a good place to sell stuff, and I read sci.electronics.repair as well. sci.electronics.components on a regular basis.
John
I'll second (third?) Phil's and Clay's comments... one of the problems with eBay or newsgroups is that you have to actively seek out specific equipment. If you weren't looking for something at the time, you wouldn't know a deal existed. I'm an old-timer on the Internet and a long-time fan of NetNews, but we're about ready to dismantle our netnews infrastructure because almost everything has gone to e-mail lists or web sites. I don't disagree with your comments/rules about occasional postings FS/FA for "the group", but even the recent power supply sale (and subsequent comments about using them for pachinko machines) was of value to me (I have a machine that needs a power supply). Sure, I can find a 9V/1A supply at any number of places, but the comment about their use got me thinking (I had no idea what voltage/current a pachinko machine needs)... --- Cris _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to archive the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data I/O 29B doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb Margola's web site didn't help as it only talks about programming the suckers, not the settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the programming! These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some reason. no idea what System I or II were... I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow the reader, archive them, then return the reader. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
John Robertson wrote:
Anyone know of an Eprom reader/burner for the ancient 1702 EPROMs? I have a couple of early pinball games that I would really like to archive the data and have nothing to read these suckers with. My Data I/O 29B doesn't go back that far. Reading the archive on Jeb Margola's web site didn't help as it only talks about programming the suckers, not the settings to read them. Used -47VDC in the programming!
These are very rare games, Recel Mr. Evil, Crazy Race, and Interflip Alasaka - the games are running on the Rockwell PPS4/8 system very similar to Gottlieb's System 1. They called it System III for some reason. no idea what System I or II were...
I do not want to send the EPROMS out to get read, would rather borrow the reader, archive them, then return the reader.
John :-#)#
I went looking for the Pro-Log programmer in the storage garage last night, but only found a few of the adapters. I'll look some more. If I can find it I'll dust it off & see if it still works. ALL the memory in this thing are 1702s, the processor is a 4004! Needless to say, the biggest thing it will handle is 2716s. But it will do ancient! IF it still works. Give me a couple days. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 X-Mozilla-Keys: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" ; format="flowed" Anyone have technical info on the Pro-Log burner pods? What I am looking for is the info on the "universal" adapter to see if one of the Eproms it could handle was the 1702. I suspect not...everything I've read points to a unique pod for them. I do have the manuals that came with the machine, but nothing on that pod, nor the 1702A pod. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
Sorry for the bandwidth, but I couldn't resist posting those pictures... Oh, and if you reply please clip the pictures out or the message will sit in the Admin file for me to allow to pass as I have a 40K limit on emails for TTL (admin override). John ;-#)# _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, John Robertson wrote:
Had an amusing purchase on eBay - twas supposed to be a Xeltek Superpro burner...received it (well packed), and tried to hook it up. Hmmm, wrong DB25 plug on unit. Let's open and see what the problem is...
Wow, that's an awful lot of work. To FIND such a case, know that a ZIF socket goes there. Do you have enough information to nail the guy ? ========================================================== Chris Candreva -- chris@westnet.com -- (914) 967-7816 WestNet Internet Services of Westchester http://www.westnet.com/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
I think the eBay seller was scammed - the auction story was this was found in a storage unit. I suspect someone (service tech?) previously simply stole the PCB, and popped the Styrofoam in to replace it and it then went back to the owner who promptly forgot about it. Oddly enough the socket IS the original one for the burner and the LEDs are the correct colours for the locations they occupy. Someone went to some trouble! It seems a bit too obvious for a technical person to not notice this 'feature' when they would buy it that leads me to assume the seller is innocent. They don't sell any other electronic gear. I've simply asked for my money back and I shall then mail it back to him... No reply so far (six hours)! I think my feedback could prove to be interesting if I'm not satisfied (link to pictures comes to mind!). Always best to not annoy techies or computer nerds, isn't it? John ;-#)# At 8:17 PM -0400 10/18/06, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, John Robertson wrote:
Had an amusing purchase on eBay - twas supposed to be a Xeltek Superpro burner...received it (well packed), and tried to hook it up. Hmmm, wrong DB25 plug on unit. Let's open and see what the problem is...
Wow, that's an awful lot of work. To FIND such a case, know that a ZIF socket goes there.
Do you have enough information to nail the guy ?
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Probably a display dummy. --- John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
I think the eBay seller was scammed - the auction story was this was found in a storage unit. I suspect someone (service tech?) previously simply stole the PCB, and popped the Styrofoam in to replace it and it then went back to the owner who promptly forgot about it.
Oddly enough the socket IS the original one for the burner and the LEDs are the correct colours for the locations they occupy. Someone went to some trouble!
It seems a bit too obvious for a technical person to not notice this 'feature' when they would buy it that leads me to assume the seller is innocent. They don't sell any other electronic gear. I've simply asked for my money back and I shall then mail it back to him...
No reply so far (six hours)! I think my feedback could prove to be interesting if I'm not satisfied (link to pictures comes to mind!).
Always best to not annoy techies or computer nerds, isn't it?
John ;-#)#
At 8:17 PM -0400 10/18/06, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, John Robertson wrote:
Had an amusing purchase on eBay - twas supposed to be a Xeltek Superpro burner...received it (well packed), and tried to hook it up. Hmmm, wrong DB25 plug on unit. Let's open and see what the problem is...
Wow, that's an awful lot of work. To FIND such a case, know that a ZIF socket goes there.
Do you have enough information to nail the guy ?
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Hmm, hadn't thought of that. Makes sense! John :-#)# At 7:08 PM -0700 10/18/06, Tony Gonzalez wrote:
Probably a display dummy.
--- John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
I think the eBay seller was scammed - the auction story was this was found in a storage unit. I suspect someone (service tech?) previously simply stole the PCB, and popped the Styrofoam in to replace it and it then went back to the owner who promptly forgot about it.
Oddly enough the socket IS the original one for the burner and the LEDs are the correct colours for the locations they occupy. Someone went to some trouble!
It seems a bit too obvious for a technical person to not notice this 'feature' when they would buy it that leads me to assume the seller is innocent. They don't sell any other electronic gear. I've simply asked for my money back and I shall then mail it back to him...
No reply so far (six hours)! I think my feedback could prove to be interesting if I'm not satisfied (link to pictures comes to mind!).
Always best to not annoy techies or computer nerds, isn't it?
John ;-#)#
At 8:17 PM -0400 10/18/06, Christopher X. Candreva wrote:
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, John Robertson wrote:
Had an amusing purchase on eBay - twas supposed to be a Xeltek Superpro burner...received it (well packed), and tried to hook it up. Hmmm, wrong DB25 plug on unit. Let's open and see what the problem is...
Wow, that's an awful lot of work. To FIND such a case, know that a ZIF socket goes there.
Do you have enough information to nail the guy ?
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Just got off the phone with John Dumont of Andromdea Research Labbs (www.arlabs.com (513-831-8708)) and he has sold me an unadvertised 1702/A reader for $49US plus postage! This will work fine with my ARLABs PEP Eprom programmer and is a fair bit cheaper than his burner ($695US for the 1702 burner)! If anyone here has their burner and a need to read 1702s then they might want to look into this card. I'll let folks know the results! John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 13:26:24 -0700, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
Deals that are special to members of TTL are fine, just general FS or FA won't.
If someone isn't sure if their post if OK, simply email me and I'll let you know if it fits within the rather flexible parameters. Mostly I suspect people don't want mailboxes full of FS/FA that are just as easy to find elsewhere.
If you have some good test equipment things you want to clear out, then I suspect that most people would be OK with a very brief note that folks can email privately or discuss on the list if they think it is of general interest.
Yes, and the list of Fluke stuff was of interest to the group - or a reasonable sub-set.
I think the the News Group sci.electronics.misc is a good place to sell stuff, and I read sci.electronics.repair as well. sci.electronics.components on a regular basis.
I've come in too late for the poll, but the above sounds ideal to me. -Zonn _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
Dang, pretty short poll there John-- hope that people were reading and responding while at work! ;-) Personally I like and value the FS postings of equipment appropriate to the list-- troubleshooters, o'scopes, logic analyzers, device programmers, etc. I for one would offer equipment here for sale before eBay simply because I "know" the potential buyers a bit more. Similarly I'd feel better buying used gear from someone here that I've read posts from for years rather than just some random guy on eBay... If it were *my* choice, I'd simply make the rule a little flexible-- "occasional FS/FA posts for equipment appropriate to the subject matter of the list are permissable as long as they don't get to be a problem and are identified by FA or FS in the subject line". You get to define "problem" when it becomes one. ;-) People that don't want to see the FA/FS can just filter based on the subject. Volume on this list is really, really low, so if I have to hit 'delete' twice in the last two months to get rid of all the FS posts, it's worth it to have the opportunity to maybe get a piece of gear I need later down the road... Just my $0.02! -Clay _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
Totally agreed. (Sorry, away working and have only had time to catch this one email) On Wed, September 20, 2006 9:23 pm, Clay Cowgill wrote:
Dang, pretty short poll there John-- hope that people were reading and responding while at work! ;-)
Personally I like and value the FS postings of equipment appropriate to the list-- troubleshooters, o'scopes, logic analyzers, device programmers, etc.
I for one would offer equipment here for sale before eBay simply because I "know" the potential buyers a bit more. Similarly I'd feel better buying used gear from someone here that I've read posts from for years rather than just some random guy on eBay...
If it were *my* choice, I'd simply make the rule a little flexible-- "occasional FS/FA posts for equipment appropriate to the subject matter of the list are permissable as long as they don't get to be a problem and are identified by FA or FS in the subject line". You get to define "problem" when it becomes one. ;-) People that don't want to see the FA/FS can just filter based on the subject.
Volume on this list is really, really low, so if I have to hit 'delete' twice in the last two months to get rid of all the FS posts, it's worth it to have the opportunity to maybe get a piece of gear I need later down the road...
Just my $0.02!
-Clay
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Matt Rossiter wrote:
Not to drag this "non-techtools" topic on too long. But how 'bout we just can the whole idea of doing a FS: or especially a FA: - In my opinion, there is always the unspoken rule that if you REALLY DO have something of interest to sell, such as a motherload of Atari CAT Boxes you can go ahead and "Mention it". But I think most of us aren't too interested in relatively easy to find stuff.
Personally I don't mind the occasional "FS" post. I for one have used the FS to sell some semi-obscure stuff, rather than resorting to eBay. I've bought test equipment via TTL as well, since I feel like its better represented than something from some TE broker on eBay. I may be biased, as I've sold stuff on TTL before, and would like to be able to do it in the future. A classified type post is not noise to me, but I'm always buying and selling anyway. My suggestion would just be that if anyone abuses it (posting weekly advertising for a commercial venture), just unsubscribe them on a case by case basis. TTL is low enough bandwidth that its never bothered me getting anything marked [TTL], even mixed in with all the hundreds of emails I get daily. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
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