Fluke 9100A monitor output & more....
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there. The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/ And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ? Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod. Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;) André _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output. You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad. Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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Oh the schematics....thanks, didn't look there yet....stupidly. Quick question, if I hook up f.i. the Z80 pod I get "Pod name not yet known, no UUT power" Am I correct to think this may mean that the Z80 pod info is not on the HD yet ? And following this: how can I check that, can I do a disk directory somehow ? André Op 9 nov. 2012 om 20:23 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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No, it means there is a problem with the pod. Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 19:47, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Oh the schematics....thanks, didn't look there yet....stupidly.
Quick question, if I hook up f.i. the Z80 pod I get "Pod name not yet known, no UUT power" Am I correct to think this may mean that the Z80 pod info is not on the HD yet ?
And following this: how can I check that, can I do a disk directory somehow ?
André
Op 9 nov. 2012 om 20:23 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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Was the pod CPU adapter latched into the pod ZIF socket when you powered it up? On 11/9/2012 12:41 PM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
No, it means there is a problem with the pod.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 19:47, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Oh the schematics....thanks, didn't look there yet....stupidly.
Quick question, if I hook up f.i. the Z80 pod I get "Pod name not yet known, no UUT power" Am I correct to think this may mean that the Z80 pod info is not on the HD yet ?
And following this: how can I check that, can I do a disk directory somehow ?
André
Op 9 nov. 2012 om 20:23 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
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That would give you an 'enabled line causes timeout' error, which is normal. You can get the 'pod name not yet known' if you are resetting the 9100 with the pod plugged into a UUT with control lines being held. You will never get 'pod name not yet known' with just the pod plugged in, if you do, the pod is bad (and Andre already hinted this was the case in another post)... Swap out the CPU inside the pod when you can Andre :) Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:44, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
Was the pod CPU adapter latched into the pod ZIF socket when you powered it up?
On 11/9/2012 12:41 PM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
No, it means there is a problem with the pod.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 19:47, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Oh the schematics....thanks, didn't look there yet....stupidly.
Quick question, if I hook up f.i. the Z80 pod I get "Pod name not yet known, no UUT power" Am I correct to think this may mean that the Z80 pod info is not on the HD yet ?
And following this: how can I check that, can I do a disk directory somehow ?
André
Op 9 nov. 2012 om 20:23 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
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Yup. So far there hasn't been a UUT near my system ;) I'll have to get the 6502 and Z80 pods running first......oh I could hook up my Atari ST of course, using the 68000 pod :) Too bad it's in a humongous Tower Case....I loved to mod BITD ;) I already replaced the Z80 by a known working one (I know it is working because it's the original Processor from my Galaxian. I sure hope the pod didn't fry it ! However, there is another Z80 in my Galaxian now because I bought Marco's multi-Galaxian kit and he forgot to remove the Z80 he tested it with before shipping :D Anyway, after replacing the Z80 it still gave the same fault as before. Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:58 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
That would give you an 'enabled line causes timeout' error, which is normal.
You can get the 'pod name not yet known' if you are resetting the 9100 with the pod plugged into a UUT with control lines being held.
You will never get 'pod name not yet known' with just the pod plugged in, if you do, the pod is bad (and Andre already hinted this was the case in another post)... Swap out the CPU inside the pod when you can Andre :)
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:44, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
Was the pod CPU adapter latched into the pod ZIF socket when you powered it up?
On 11/9/2012 12:41 PM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
No, it means there is a problem with the pod.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 19:47, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Oh the schematics....thanks, didn't look there yet....stupidly.
Quick question, if I hook up f.i. the Z80 pod I get "Pod name not yet known, no UUT power" Am I correct to think this may mean that the Z80 pod info is not on the HD yet ?
And following this: how can I check that, can I do a disk directory somehow ?
André
Op 9 nov. 2012 om 20:23 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
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If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed. On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync. Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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Just had a look at the IBM CGA connector pin out: http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/video/cga.html The connector is following the "standard", it's a 9D female connector. The colors are probably on pins 3,4,5 (R,G,B) acc. to the IBM standard. Pin 7 normally carries +12V but is often not used so I guess they put the B/W signal there. Pin 8 and 9 carry Horizontal and Vertical sins (positive) so that's according to the earlier drawing I posted too.... The only really damn tricky pin is nr. 2. The 9100A puts out +5V on it, while the IBM has pin 1 and 2 as GND...... Anyway, let's get out the soldering iron.... oh I need a 04 too.... Do we know anything about that video card by the way ? What is the bus that Fluke used for the SCSI and Video cards ? Sorry for all the remarks/questions.....I'm pretty hyped about this thing and can't wait to hook it up to my first UUT :) Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:59 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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There is no bus, to my knowledge.. It's just a slot for the custom video-card to plug into, and another slot for the disk controller. They are not interchangeable. Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:31, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Just had a look at the IBM CGA connector pin out:
http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/video/cga.html
The connector is following the "standard", it's a 9D female connector. The colors are probably on pins 3,4,5 (R,G,B) acc. to the IBM standard. Pin 7 normally carries +12V but is often not used so I guess they put the B/W signal there. Pin 8 and 9 carry Horizontal and Vertical sins (positive) so that's according to the earlier drawing I posted too....
The only really damn tricky pin is nr. 2. The 9100A puts out +5V on it, while the IBM has pin 1 and 2 as GND......
Anyway, let's get out the soldering iron.... oh I need a 04 too....
Do we know anything about that video card by the way ? What is the bus that Fluke used for the SCSI and Video cards ?
Sorry for all the remarks/questions.....I'm pretty hyped about this thing and can't wait to hook it up to my first UUT :)
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:59 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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I'd like to add... The editor is a very slow, frustrating and not user-friendly interface. You will use the editor to write custom programs, but I can tell you that you will need to learn how the system works through the operators keypad first. I used my 9100 only from the operators keypad for the first 5 years, partly because I didn't have the videocard, but it's a steep learning curve and I think you'd do well to properly understand the functions of the system through the operators display and keypad first. Until you get further into GFI and UFI, you can do everything you'll want to do from the front keypad, you're not missing any functions in the editor suite apart from writing programs which I think you're a little way from for now :) I didn't write any programs for ages, but when I did, I knew exactly what I wanted to do when analysing a UUT... Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:31, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Just had a look at the IBM CGA connector pin out:
http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/video/cga.html
The connector is following the "standard", it's a 9D female connector. The colors are probably on pins 3,4,5 (R,G,B) acc. to the IBM standard. Pin 7 normally carries +12V but is often not used so I guess they put the B/W signal there. Pin 8 and 9 carry Horizontal and Vertical sins (positive) so that's according to the earlier drawing I posted too....
The only really damn tricky pin is nr. 2. The 9100A puts out +5V on it, while the IBM has pin 1 and 2 as GND......
Anyway, let's get out the soldering iron.... oh I need a 04 too....
Do we know anything about that video card by the way ? What is the bus that Fluke used for the SCSI and Video cards ?
Sorry for all the remarks/questions.....I'm pretty hyped about this thing and can't wait to hook it up to my first UUT :)
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:59 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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Would also like to add something that you’ll probably not want to hear!! Read through the manuals and understand them. Seriously. It’s a serious slog through all of those thick tomes but there is a huge amount of invaluable information in there. I tell anyone that comes onto forums asking about 9010’s or 9100’s the same thing. 99% of their questions wouldn’t need to be answered if they’d already worked their way through the menus 😊 Nobody likes to do it - including me, but in the case of these instruments they’re essential reading. Oh, also, unlike Andy I started writing programs from day one. But not really what I should have been writing them for. All I ever did was write programs that pretty much emulated what the 9010 did, ie, automated a lot of what you can do from the keypad functions. I guess it’s a valid use of the programs but It’s not really what the 9100 programs are all about though. Proper programs come later when you start to get into exercising circuits using the parallel and vector I/O modules and reading the results with the clips or probe, plus the GFI / UFI that Andy’s talking about. The 9100 can do soooo much, I suspect only a handful of hobby users will really ever scratch the surface. And I’m probably not likely to be one of them. From: Andrew Welburn Sent: 09 November 2012 21:51 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more.... I'd like to add... The editor is a very slow, frustrating and not user-friendly interface. You will use the editor to write custom programs, but I can tell you that you will need to learn how the system works through the operators keypad first. I used my 9100 only from the operators keypad for the first 5 years, partly because I didn't have the videocard, but it's a steep learning curve and I think you'd do well to properly understand the functions of the system through the operators display and keypad first. Until you get further into GFI and UFI, you can do everything you'll want to do from the front keypad, you're not missing any functions in the editor suite apart from writing programs which I think you're a little way from for now :) I didn't write any programs for ages, but when I did, I knew exactly what I wanted to do when analysing a UUT... Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:31, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Just had a look at the IBM CGA connector pin out:
http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/video/cga.html
The connector is following the "standard", it's a 9D female connector. The colors are probably on pins 3,4,5 (R,G,B) acc. to the IBM standard. Pin 7 normally carries +12V but is often not used so I guess they put the B/W signal there. Pin 8 and 9 carry Horizontal and Vertical sins (positive) so that's according to the earlier drawing I posted too....
The only really damn tricky pin is nr. 2. The 9100A puts out +5V on it, while the IBM has pin 1 and 2 as GND......
Anyway, let's get out the soldering iron.... oh I need a 04 too....
Do we know anything about that video card by the way ? What is the bus that Fluke used for the SCSI and Video cards ?
Sorry for all the remarks/questions.....I'm pretty hyped about this thing and can't wait to hook it up to my first UUT :)
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:59 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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Mmmm, sorry for asking questions, I thought that that was what a forum is about..... Op 9 nov. 2012, om 22:58 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
Would also like to add something that you’ll probably not want to hear!!
Read through the manuals and understand them. Seriously. It’s a serious slog through all of those thick tomes but there is a huge amount of invaluable information in there. I tell anyone that comes onto forums asking about 9010’s or 9100’s the same thing. 99% of their questions wouldn’t need to be answered if they’d already worked their way through the menus 😊
Nobody likes to do it - including me, but in the case of these instruments they’re essential reading.
Oh, also, unlike Andy I started writing programs from day one. But not really what I should have been writing them for. All I ever did was write programs that pretty much emulated what the 9010 did, ie, automated a lot of what you can do from the keypad functions. I guess it’s a valid use of the programs but It’s not really what the 9100 programs are all about though.
Proper programs come later when you start to get into exercising circuits using the parallel and vector I/O modules and reading the results with the clips or probe, plus the GFI / UFI that Andy’s talking about.
The 9100 can do soooo much, I suspect only a handful of hobby users will really ever scratch the surface. And I’m probably not likely to be one of them.
From: Andrew Welburn Sent: 09 November 2012 21:51 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more....
I'd like to add... The editor is a very slow, frustrating and not user-friendly interface. You will use the editor to write custom programs, but I can tell you that you will need to learn how the system works through the operators keypad first.
I used my 9100 only from the operators keypad for the first 5 years, partly because I didn't have the videocard, but it's a steep learning curve and I think you'd do well to properly understand the functions of the system through the operators display and keypad first. Until you get further into GFI and UFI, you can do everything you'll want to do from the front keypad, you're not missing any functions in the editor suite apart from writing programs which I think you're a little way from for now :) I didn't write any programs for ages, but when I did, I knew exactly what I wanted to do when analysing a UUT...
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:31, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Just had a look at the IBM CGA connector pin out:
http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/video/cga.html
The connector is following the "standard", it's a 9D female connector. The colors are probably on pins 3,4,5 (R,G,B) acc. to the IBM standard. Pin 7 normally carries +12V but is often not used so I guess they put the B/W signal there. Pin 8 and 9 carry Horizontal and Vertical sins (positive) so that's according to the earlier drawing I posted too....
The only really damn tricky pin is nr. 2. The 9100A puts out +5V on it, while the IBM has pin 1 and 2 as GND......
Anyway, let's get out the soldering iron.... oh I need a 04 too....
Do we know anything about that video card by the way ? What is the bus that Fluke used for the SCSI and Video cards ?
Sorry for all the remarks/questions.....I'm pretty hyped about this thing and can't wait to hook it up to my first UUT :)
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:59 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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No, Andre, he really does mean that sincerely... The system is vast and complicated, and you would be asking questions every five minutes :) Spend a few evenings reading all of the manuals cover to cover... Sooo many things will become clear :) Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 22:23, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Mmmm, sorry for asking questions, I thought that that was what a forum is about.....
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 22:58 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
Would also like to add something that you’ll probably not want to hear!!
Read through the manuals and understand them. Seriously. It’s a serious slog through all of those thick tomes but there is a huge amount of invaluable information in there. I tell anyone that comes onto forums asking about 9010’s or 9100’s the same thing. 99% of their questions wouldn’t need to be answered if they’d already worked their way through the menus 😊
Nobody likes to do it - including me, but in the case of these instruments they’re essential reading.
Oh, also, unlike Andy I started writing programs from day one. But not really what I should have been writing them for. All I ever did was write programs that pretty much emulated what the 9010 did, ie, automated a lot of what you can do from the keypad functions. I guess it’s a valid use of the programs but It’s not really what the 9100 programs are all about though.
Proper programs come later when you start to get into exercising circuits using the parallel and vector I/O modules and reading the results with the clips or probe, plus the GFI / UFI that Andy’s talking about.
The 9100 can do soooo much, I suspect only a handful of hobby users will really ever scratch the surface. And I’m probably not likely to be one of them.
From: Andrew Welburn Sent: 09 November 2012 21:51 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more....
I'd like to add... The editor is a very slow, frustrating and not user-friendly interface. You will use the editor to write custom programs, but I can tell you that you will need to learn how the system works through the operators keypad first.
I used my 9100 only from the operators keypad for the first 5 years, partly because I didn't have the videocard, but it's a steep learning curve and I think you'd do well to properly understand the functions of the system through the operators display and keypad first. Until you get further int
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I meant....a mailing list... Don't judge me too quickly. I have already started reading the manuals from the day I got the stuff andwhenever I have some time (gotta love an iPad for that). In fact, one of the things that annoys me the most in my work is colleagues or contractors not reading a simple manual before starting to work on new things. And it's not just the young guys, the older one's are sometimes even worse because they think to know it all..... They loose hours trying to solve the problem while they could have prevented that by investing 15 minutes in reading a simple manual. Well, everyone had to start at one moment. I know that I have a pretty good understandings of how (80's) computer hardware works. I don't understand every detail in the manuals yet but that will come when necessary and in time. Rome wasn't built in a day either, and seeing that the 35,000 USD 9100 set came with a 9 day training says enough... Let me do my baby-steps and it doesn't harm to help someone even if it is an obvious thing for you.... Op 9 nov. 2012, om 23:23 heeft Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> het volgende geschreven:
Mmmm, sorry for asking questions, I thought that that was what a forum is about.....
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 22:58 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
Would also like to add something that you’ll probably not want to hear!!
Read through the manuals and understand them. Seriously. It’s a serious slog through all of those thick tomes but there is a huge amount of invaluable information in there. I tell anyone that comes onto forums asking about 9010’s or 9100’s the same thing. 99% of their questions wouldn’t need to be answered if they’d already worked their way through the menus 😊
Nobody likes to do it - including me, but in the case of these instruments they’re essential reading.
Oh, also, unlike Andy I started writing programs from day one. But not really what I should have been writing them for. All I ever did was write programs that pretty much emulated what the 9010 did, ie, automated a lot of what you can do from the keypad functions. I guess it’s a valid use of the programs but It’s not really what the 9100 programs are all about though.
Proper programs come later when you start to get into exercising circuits using the parallel and vector I/O modules and reading the results with the clips or probe, plus the GFI / UFI that Andy’s talking about.
The 9100 can do soooo much, I suspect only a handful of hobby users will really ever scratch the surface. And I’m probably not likely to be one of them.
From: Andrew Welburn Sent: 09 November 2012 21:51 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more....
I'd like to add... The editor is a very slow, frustrating and not user-friendly interface. You will use the editor to write custom programs, but I can tell you that you will need to learn how the system works through the operators keypad first.
I used my 9100 only from the operators keypad for the first 5 years, partly because I didn't have the videocard, but it's a steep learning curve and I think you'd do well to properly understand the functions of the system through the operators display and keypad first. Until you get further into GFI and UFI, you can do everything you'll want to do from the front keypad, you're not missing any functions in the editor suite apart from writing programs which I think you're a little way from for now :) I didn't write any programs for ages, but when I did, I knew exactly what I wanted to do when analysing a UUT...
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:31, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Just had a look at the IBM CGA connector pin out:
http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/video/cga.html
The connector is following the "standard", it's a 9D female connector. The colors are probably on pins 3,4,5 (R,G,B) acc. to the IBM standard. Pin 7 normally carries +12V but is often not used so I guess they put the B/W signal there. Pin 8 and 9 carry Horizontal and Vertical sins (positive) so that's according to the earlier drawing I posted too....
The only really damn tricky pin is nr. 2. The 9100A puts out +5V on it, while the IBM has pin 1 and 2 as GND......
Anyway, let's get out the soldering iron.... oh I need a 04 too....
Do we know anything about that video card by the way ? What is the bus that Fluke used for the SCSI and Video cards ?
Sorry for all the remarks/questions.....I'm pretty hyped about this thing and can't wait to hook it up to my first UUT :)
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:59 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
> OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there. > > The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/ > > And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ? > > Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. > Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? > I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod. > > Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;) > > André
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Yeah, I’m absolutely not saying don’t ask the questions!! Please do! That is indeed what a mailing list is all about. I’m just saying that with these things more than anything I’ve ever come across the manuals are really useful rather than something that we all just have a tendency to skip. BUT sure, it’s not a lot of fun to just read through them unless you’ve got something you can try the bits and pieces out on at the same time - so get onto the monitor situation 😃 From: Andre Huijts Sent: 09 November 2012 22:33 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more.... I meant....a mailing list... Don't judge me too quickly. I have already started reading the manuals from the day I got the stuff andwhenever I have some time (gotta love an iPad for that). In fact, one of the things that annoys me the most in my work is colleagues or contractors not reading a simple manual before starting to work on new things. And it's not just the young guys, the older one's are sometimes even worse because they think to know it all..... They loose hours trying to solve the problem while they could have prevented that by investing 15 minutes in reading a simple manual. Well, everyone had to start at one moment. I know that I have a pretty good understandings of how (80's) computer hardware works. I don't understand every detail in the manuals yet but that will come when necessary and in time. Rome wasn't built in a day either, and seeing that the 35,000 USD 9100 set came with a 9 day training says enough... Let me do my baby-steps and it doesn't harm to help someone even if it is an obvious thing for you.... Op 9 nov. 2012, om 23:23 heeft Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> het volgende geschreven: > Mmmm, sorry for asking questions, I thought that that was what a forum is about..... > > > > Op 9 nov. 2012, om 22:58 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven: > >> Would also like to add something that you’ll probably not want to hear!! >> >> >> >> Read through the manuals and understand them. Seriously. It’s a serious slog through all of those thick tomes but there is a huge amount of invaluable information in there. I tell anyone that comes onto forums asking about 9010’s or 9100’s the same thing. 99% of their questions wouldn’t need to be answered if they’d already worked their way through the menus 😊 >> >> >> >> Nobody likes to do it - including me, but in the case of these instruments they’re essential reading. >> >> >> >> Oh, also, unlike Andy I started writing programs from day one. But not really what I should have been writing them for. All I ever did was write programs that pretty much emulated what the 9010 did, ie, automated a lot of what you can do from the keypad functions. I guess it’s a valid use of the programs but It’s not really what the 9100 programs are all about though. >> >> >> >> Proper programs come later when you start to get into exercising circuits using the parallel and vector I/O modules and reading the results with the clips or probe, plus the GFI / UFI that Andy’s talking about. >> >> >> >> The 9100 can do soooo much, I suspect only a handful of hobby users will really ever scratch the surface. And I’m probably not likely to be one of them. >> >> >> >> >> From: Andrew Welburn >> Sent: 09 November 2012 21:51 >> To: Technical Tools Mail List >> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more.... >> >> >> I'd like to add... The editor is a very slow, frustrating and not user-friendly interface. You will use the editor to write custom programs, but I can tell you that you will need to learn how the system works through the operators keypad first. >> >> I used my 9100 only from the operators keypad for the first 5 years, partly because I didn't have the videocard, but it's a steep learning curve and I think you'd do well to properly understand the functions of the system through the operators display and keypad first. Until you get further into GFI and UFI, you can do everything you'll want to do from the front keypad, you're not missing any functions in the editor suite apart from writing programs which I think you're a little way from for now :) I didn't write any programs for ages, but when I did, I knew exactly what I wanted to do when analysing a UUT... >> >> Andrew Welburn (mobile) >> www.andys-arcade.com >> >> On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:31, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote: >> >>> Just had a look at the IBM CGA connector pin out: >>> >>> http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/video/cga.html >>> >>> The connector is following the "standard", it's a 9D female connector. The colors are probably on pins 3,4,5 (R,G,B) acc. to the IBM standard. Pin 7 normally carries +12V but is often not used so I guess they put the B/W signal there. Pin 8 and 9 carry Horizontal and Vertical sins (positive) so that's according to the earlier drawing I posted too.... >>> >>> The only really damn tricky pin is nr. 2. The 9100A puts out +5V on it, while the IBM has pin 1 and 2 as GND...... >>> >>> Anyway, let's get out the soldering iron.... oh I need a 04 too.... >>> >>> Do we know anything about that video card by the way ? What is the bus that Fluke used for the SCSI and Video cards ? >>> >>> Sorry for all the remarks/questions.....I'm pretty hyped about this thing and can't wait to hook it up to my first UUT :) >>> >>> >>> Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:59 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync. >>>> >>>> Andrew Welburn (mobile) >>>> www.andys-arcade.com >>>> >>>> On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote: >>>>>> Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad. >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew Welburn (mobile) >>>>>> www.andys-arcade.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: >>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. >>>>>>> Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? >>>>>>> I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> André >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>>> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >>>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >>> André Huijts >>> andre.huijts@upcmail.nl >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > André Huijts > andre.huijts@upcmail.nl > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/</a.huijts@upcmail.nl></techtools@arcadehacking.com></andy@andysarcade.net></a.huijts@upcmail.nl></martin@guddler.co.uk></a.huijts@upcmail.nl> _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Yep...reading, doing, reading, doing....that's the best training method anyway :) @Andy: I'm surprised you didn't just bridge pins 13 to 7 and 15 to 5 on U27 on the video card. If you check the schematics you can see that the syncs are actually negative but inverted by U27 just before it goes to the connector. Don't come with excuses about keeping things original....seeing your fan-hack ;) ;) ;) I'll do that for sure too, the noise is terrible ! Op 9 nov. 2012, om 23:39 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
Yeah, I’m absolutely not saying don’t ask the questions!! Please do! That is indeed what a mailing list is all about. I’m just saying that with these things more than anything I’ve ever come across the manuals are really useful rather than something that we all just have a tendency to skip.
BUT sure, it’s not a lot of fun to just read through them unless you’ve got something you can try the bits and pieces out on at the same time - so get onto the monitor situation 😃
From: Andre Huijts Sent: 09 November 2012 22:33 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more....
I meant....a mailing list...
Don't judge me too quickly. I have already started reading the manuals from the day I got the stuff andwhenever I have some time (gotta love an iPad for that). In fact, one of the things that annoys me the most in my work is colleagues or contractors not reading a simple manual before starting to work on new things. And it's not just the young guys, the older one's are sometimes even worse because they think to know it all..... They loose hours trying to solve the problem while they could have prevented that by investing 15 minutes in reading a simple manual.
Well, everyone had to start at one moment. I know that I have a pretty good understandings of how (80's) computer hardware works. I don't understand every detail in the manuals yet but that will come when necessary and in time. Rome wasn't built in a day either, and seeing that the 35,000 USD 9100 set came with a 9 day training says enough...
Let me do my baby-steps and it doesn't harm to help someone even if it is an obvious thing for you....
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 23:23 heeft Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> het volgende geschreven:
> Mmmm, sorry for asking questions, I thought that that was what a forum is about..... > > > > Op 9 nov. 2012, om 22:58 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven: > >> Would also like to add something that you’ll probably not want to hear!! >> >> >> >> Read through the manuals and understand them. Seriously. It’s a serious slog through all of those thick tomes but there is a huge amount of invaluable information in there. I tell anyone that comes onto forums asking about 9010’s or 9100’s the same thing. 99% of their questions wouldn’t need to be answered if they’d already worked their way through the menus 😊 >> >> >> >> Nobody likes to do it - including me, but in the case of these instruments they’re essential reading. >> >> >> >> Oh, also, unlike Andy I started writing programs from day one. But not really what I should have been writing them for. All I ever did was write programs that pretty much emulated what the 9010 did, ie, automated a lot of what you can do from the keypad functions. I guess it’s a valid use of the programs but It’s not really what the 9100 programs are all about though. >> >> >> >> Proper programs come later when you start to get into exercising circuits using the parallel and vector I/O modules and reading the results with the clips or probe, plus the GFI / UFI that Andy’s talking about. >> >> >> >> The 9100 can do soooo much, I suspect only a handful of hobby users will really ever scratch the surface. And I’m probably not likely to be one of them. >> >> >> >> >> From: Andrew Welburn >> Sent: 09 November 2012 21:51 >> To: Technical Tools Mail List >> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more.... >> >> >> I'd like to add... The editor is a very slow, frustrating and not user-friendly interface. You will use the editor to write custom programs, but I can tell you that you will need to learn how the system works through the operators keypad first. >> >> I used my 9100 only from the operators keypad for the first 5 years, partly because I didn't have the videocard, but it's a steep learning curve and I think you'd do well to properly understand the functions of the system through the operators display and keypad first. Until you get further into GFI and UFI, you can do everything you'll want to do from the front keypad, you're not missing any functions in the editor suite apart from writing programs which I think you're a little way from for now :) I didn't write any programs for ages, but when I did, I knew exactly what I wanted to do when analysing a UUT... >> >> Andrew Welburn (mobile) >> www.andys-arcade.com >> >> On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:31, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote: >> >>> Just had a look at the IBM CGA connector pin out: >>> >>> http://nemesis.lonestar.org/reference/video/cga.html >>> >>> The connector is following the "standard", it's a 9D female connector. The colors are probably on pins 3,4,5 (R,G,B) acc. to the IBM standard. Pin 7 normally carries +12V but is often not used so I guess they put the B/W signal there. Pin 8 and 9 carry Horizontal and Vertical sins (positive) so that's according to the earlier drawing I posted too.... >>> >>> The only really damn tricky pin is nr. 2. The 9100A puts out +5V on it, while the IBM has pin 1 and 2 as GND...... >>> >>> Anyway, let's get out the soldering iron.... oh I need a 04 too.... >>> >>> Do we know anything about that video card by the way ? What is the bus that Fluke used for the SCSI and Video cards ? >>> >>> Sorry for all the remarks/questions.....I'm pretty hyped about this thing and can't wait to hook it up to my first UUT :) >>> >>> >>> Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:59 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven: >>> >>>> Yes the output works in the CGA -> VGA adapters once you convert the sync. >>>> >>>> Andrew Welburn (mobile) >>>> www.andys-arcade.com >>>> >>>> On 9 Nov 2012, at 20:43, techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote: >>>>>> Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output. >>>>>> >>>>>> You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad. >>>>>> >>>>>> Andrew Welburn (mobile) >>>>>> www.andys-arcade.com >>>>>> >>>>>> On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: >>>>>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. >>>>>>> Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? >>>>>>> I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> André >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>>> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >>>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >>>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>>> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >>>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >>>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >>> >>> André Huijts >>> andre.huijts@upcmail.nl >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Techtoolslist mailing list >>> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >>> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >>> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >>> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Techtoolslist mailing list >> Techtoolslist@flippers.com >> http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist >> FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org >> Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ > > André Huijts > andre.huijts@upcmail.nl > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Techtoolslist mailing list > Techtoolslist@flippers.com > http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist > FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org > Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl
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André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Yup, I didn't want to modify the card itself, I wanted to keep it original :) I've had the inversion built into my testrig for years, but I might modify the card itself in the coming months. Don't forget that it took me five years to find a videocard that someone was willing to sell, and it cost a pretty penny when I got it, I didn't want to mess anything up, the off-card modification was fine for me. Subsequently I have indeed gone much further in modifying my setup, but I've not needed to do any mods for some time. Now I have a few in my house that need work, I'll be doing a bunch more mods and documenting it like the existing stuff on my page. You see, I have a 9100FT on loan from someone, so i'll be able to document that and it's mods too. I vowed that I wouldn't spend any more time programming until I had an FT. Which reminds me, if anyone has a 9100FT for sale, I'm still in need of one... Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 10 Nov 2012, at 00:26, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
Yep...reading, doing, reading, doing....that's the best training method anyway :)
@Andy: I'm surprised you didn't just bridge pins 13 to 7 and 15 to 5 on U27 on the video card. If you check the schematics you can see that the syncs are actually negative but inverted by U27 just before it goes to the connector.
Don't come with excuses about keeping things original....seeing your fan-hack ;) ;) ;) I'll do that for sure too, the noise is terrible !
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 23:39 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
Yeah, I’m absolutely not saying don’t ask the questions!! Please do! That is indeed what a mailing list is all about. I’m just saying that with these things more than anything I’ve ever come across the manuals are really useful rather than something that we all just have a tendency to skip.
BUT sure, it’s not a lot of fun to just read through them unless you’ve got something you can try the bits and pieces out on at the same time - so get onto the monitor situation 😃
From: Andre Huijts Sent: 09 November 2012 22:33 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100A monitor output & more....
I meant....a mailing list...
Don't judge me too quickly. I have already started reading the manuals from the day I got the stuff andwhenever I have some time (gotta love an iPad for that). In fact, one of the things that annoys me the most in my work is colleagues or contractors not reading a simple manual before starting to work on new things. And it's not just the young guys, the older one's are sometimes even worse because they think to know it all..... They loose hours trying to solve the problem while they could have prevented that by investing 15 minutes in reading a simple manual.
Well, everyone had to start at one moment. I know that I have a pretty good understandings of how (80's) computer hardware works. I don't understand every detail in the manuals yet but that will come when necessary and in time. Rome wasn't built in a day either, and seeing that the 35,000 USD 9100 set came with a 9 day training says enough...
Let me do my baby-steps and it doesn't harm to help someone eve
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That very thought crossed my mind and I actually have one of those things......somewhere. The bad part is I don't have a working VGA monitor around here anymore. Which also prevented me from firing up my PC to try to make images of all the floppies I got here..... Will buy a VGA cable first thing in the morning.....at least I can hook up my PC to my TV....will look interesting to see DOS on it :) Mmmm, the alternative is getting a very small LCD TV and hook up the SCART but I guess that won't do much good in the US...sorry guys :) Once I got the SCART thing running I can also hook the 9100 up to my TV ;D Oh and yes Steve, the CPU adapter was in the test socket. By the way, if anyone has an extra 40 pins flat cable to CPU adapter for these pods.......the Z80 had it missing (I used the one from the 6502 pod.....uuhhhhh...ohhh I do hope that is no problem ? ANother question: is it possible to get some kind of directory from the HD or floppies using just the built-in display ? I just inserted a floppy with "service tools 1.4" hand written on it and booted from it. It works ! :) At least I know the floppy drive is working.... Also something I noticed: I have two full sets of V6.1 system disks, but there are no User disks. I do have V6.0 User disks. I am assuming V6.1 uses the V6.0 user disk. I tried to copy User disk 2 to the harddisk (yes I know, I'm stubborn) but i got errors on this floppy.... I would badly want a 6809 pod for doing some sigs etc. on Atari Star Wars PCBs,.....but judging by the price of the one on e-bay right now that is probably the most wanted/rare one ? OK, more than enough for now :) Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:43 heeft techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> het volgende geschreven:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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You need to run the editor to view the contents of hard disks or floppy disks... You can't view it on the operators display. Andre, why are you copying floppies to your hard disk? Why don't you wait to get a display up and to see what is in the hard drive before you screw it up by copying over and user modified program's? I have seen some cool program's that people have written in them, they will help you learn TL/1, so try not to destroy them or screw up the 9100 as it sits, you probably have a fully functioning setup, and believe me, you can crap it up easily if you mess about too much. Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:11, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
That very thought crossed my mind and I actually have one of those things......somewhere.
The bad part is I don't have a working VGA monitor around here anymore. Which also prevented me from firing up my PC to try to make images of all the floppies I got here..... Will buy a VGA cable first thing in the morning.....at least I can hook up my PC to my TV....will look interesting to see DOS on it :)
Mmmm, the alternative is getting a very small LCD TV and hook up the SCART but I guess that won't do much good in the US...sorry guys :)
Once I got the SCART thing running I can also hook the 9100 up to my TV ;D
Oh and yes Steve, the CPU adapter was in the test socket. By the way, if anyone has an extra 40 pins flat cable to CPU adapter for these pods.......the Z80 had it missing (I used the one from the 6502 pod.....uuhhhhh...ohhh I do hope that is no problem ?
ANother question: is it possible to get some kind of directory from the HD or floppies using just the built-in display ?
I just inserted a floppy with "service tools 1.4" hand written on it and booted from it. It works ! :) At least I know the floppy drive is working....
Also something I noticed: I have two full sets of V6.1 system disks, but there are no User disks. I do have V6.0 User disks. I am assuming V6.1 uses the V6.0 user disk. I tried to copy User disk 2 to the harddisk (yes I know, I'm stubborn) but i got errors on this floppy....
I would badly want a 6809 pod for doing some sigs etc. on Atari Star Wars PCBs,.....but judging by the price of the one on e-bay right now that is probably the most wanted/rare one ?
OK, more than enough for now :)
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:43 heeft techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> het volgende geschreven:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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It's my impatience and stubbornness :) Don't worry, it indicated read errors so I'm pretty sure nothing was actually copied... But you're right, first goal now is hook up a display, in whatever form.... thanks for all the help so far !!! Op 9 nov. 2012, om 22:30 heeft Andrew Welburn <andy@andysarcade.net> het volgende geschreven:
You need to run the editor to view the contents of hard disks or floppy disks... You can't view it on the operators display.
Andre, why are you copying floppies to your hard disk? Why don't you wait to get a display up and to see what is in the hard drive before you screw it up by copying over and user modified program's?
I have seen some cool program's that people have written in them, they will help you learn TL/1, so try not to destroy them or screw up the 9100 as it sits, you probably have a fully functioning setup, and believe me, you can crap it up easily if you mess about too much.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 21:11, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
That very thought crossed my mind and I actually have one of those things......somewhere.
The bad part is I don't have a working VGA monitor around here anymore. Which also prevented me from firing up my PC to try to make images of all the floppies I got here..... Will buy a VGA cable first thing in the morning.....at least I can hook up my PC to my TV....will look interesting to see DOS on it :)
Mmmm, the alternative is getting a very small LCD TV and hook up the SCART but I guess that won't do much good in the US...sorry guys :)
Once I got the SCART thing running I can also hook the 9100 up to my TV ;D
Oh and yes Steve, the CPU adapter was in the test socket. By the way, if anyone has an extra 40 pins flat cable to CPU adapter for these pods.......the Z80 had it missing (I used the one from the 6502 pod.....uuhhhhh...ohhh I do hope that is no problem ?
ANother question: is it possible to get some kind of directory from the HD or floppies using just the built-in display ?
I just inserted a floppy with "service tools 1.4" hand written on it and booted from it. It works ! :) At least I know the floppy drive is working....
Also something I noticed: I have two full sets of V6.1 system disks, but there are no User disks. I do have V6.0 User disks. I am assuming V6.1 uses the V6.0 user disk. I tried to copy User disk 2 to the harddisk (yes I know, I'm stubborn) but i got errors on this floppy....
I would badly want a 6809 pod for doing some sigs etc. on Atari Star Wars PCBs,.....but judging by the price of the one on e-bay right now that is probably the most wanted/rare one ?
OK, more than enough for now :)
Op 9 nov. 2012, om 21:43 heeft techtools-steve <techtools@arcadehacking.com> het volgende geschreven:
If the Fluke video output is 15KHz then a Gonbas RGB/MDA/CGA/EGA to VGA Converter could allow you to use the Fluke with a modern VGA LCD panel. I've got a couple of these boards stashed somewhere and willing to dig them out and give this a try once the signals are confirmed.
On 11/9/2012 11:23 AM, Andrew Welburn wrote:
Andre... Look in the schematics for the video card Pinout. The output s RGB, 15khz.. Or CGA... It's there, we aren't lying to you... If in doubt, just scope the outputs and find your RGB and syncs. As stated before, invert each sync signal with an ls04, then join them together to give you composite sync. Then you can feed this to a SCART tv or a regular arcade monitor. Ignore the black and white output.
You can happily plug and unplug pods while the 9100a is switched on, no problems, otherwise you'd go through a whole lot of power cycling when working on stuff. When you plug a new pod in, you just hit the reset button on the operators keypad.
Andrew Welburn (mobile) www.andys-arcade.com
On 9 Nov 2012, at 18:56, Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> wrote:
OK I have been digging through the manuals but either I get dizzy by SO much information or it's not in there.
The only info about the monitor connection I can find is this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/level_42/8170047354/
And that looks like a monochrome set-up. Now the manual says the color set-up is for a "standard IBM monitor", I am sure they mean CGA, but what is the pin-out from the 9100A in color set-up ?
Other question: I am confused about when to hook up the pod. The manual(s) seem to be inconsistent too, but I think mostly they say the 9100A should be powered off before hooking up a pod. Can you damage the pod by connecting it to the 9100A while it's powered up ? I've done this while testing the pods. I did a reset (from the keypad) after replacing the pod.
Note, I'm not talking about UUT power at all yet, I am not that far yet ;)
André
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