Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948?
Kryoflux stream format is not the standard. How would people without a Kryoflux board write the disk image ? All you need is a raw dump of the disk. Then everyone can write the image to a disk. Tim -----Original Message-----
From: Tony Jones via Techtoolslist <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Aug 10, 2018 11:37 PM To: John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com>, Technical Tools Mail List <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Cc: Tony Jones <tony@tonyjones.com> Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Fluke 9100 Service Kit 818948?
On Fri, Aug 10, 2018 at 4:23 PM, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote:
So far have found a pair of floppies labelled "9100A/AF UUT Test Disk V1.0" which may be the above mentioned disks for the Service Kit.
I have several copies of this disk. I thought it had already been archived in the github archive but I just checked again and I don't see it. It's best if it gets dumped in Kryoflux stream format, same as all the other 9100 disks. There isn't much point having a few outliers stored on the ftp site in some other format.
Curious on the extended board. Does it have a ZIF on it? I have a half dozen mystery extender boards with ZIFs on them.
Obviously all of the above is handled totally differently on the FT version, per the sync connector on the mainboard. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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On Fri, Aug 10, 2018, 8:31 PM teeray <teeray@earthlink.net> wro
How would people without a Kryoflux board write the disk image ?
They would read the documentation. Both samdisk and disk-utilities can convert to raw sectors. The later can also convert to HFE if you're using a Gotek or similar USB floppy emulator on your 9100. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
teeray writes:
Kryoflux stream format is not the standard. How would people without a Kryoflux board write the disk image ?
Recent SamDisk can convert Kryoflux Stream images to its own format, or ImageDisk, and you can write those. There’s an example in the README in the archive.
All you need is a raw dump of the disk.
Then everyone can write the image to a disk.
There is no "standard" format, which is one of the reasons why the 9100 disk image situation is such mess. This one is in TeleDisk format and disk 3 seems to be bad, someone said this is good, but it’s SAMDisk, and you need Windows to write that instead of DOS and blah blah blah. I wanted images which were absolutely known to be good or bad, and clearly documented as such. Kryoflux is what I chose, because it’s designed for archival, and has supporting features which other methods don’t. It shows you if the media has been modified by someone after it was pressed, so you know if you’re actually getting the original disk or one keyed to a specific machine’s serial number. It doesn’t fail on bad sectors, it dumps them and you can see exactly which were bad. If you have multiple damaged copies of the same disk, you can piece together a complete, good image, sector by sector. The goals of my archive are to be as complete and consistent as possible. That means all images are the same format, and that format is Kryoflux Stream. And since it’s sampling the flux instead of passing it through MFM decoding to create a bitstream, it’s the rawest dump you can get. :) -- Ian _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On 2018/08/10 8:51 PM, Ian Eure wrote:
teeray writes:
Kryoflux stream format is not the standard. How would people without a Kryoflux board write the disk image ?
Recent SamDisk can convert Kryoflux Stream images to its own format, or ImageDisk, and you can write those. There’s an example in the README in the archive.
All you need is a raw dump of the disk.
Then everyone can write the image to a disk.
There is no "standard" format, which is one of the reasons why the 9100 disk image situation is such mess. This one is in TeleDisk format and disk 3 seems to be bad, someone said this is good, but it’s SAMDisk, and you need Windows to write that instead of DOS and blah blah blah. I wanted images which were absolutely known to be good or bad, and clearly documented as such.
Kryoflux is what I chose, because it’s designed for archival, and has supporting features which other methods don’t. It shows you if the media has been modified by someone after it was pressed, so you know if you’re actually getting the original disk or one keyed to a specific machine’s serial number. It doesn’t fail on bad sectors, it dumps them and you can see exactly which were bad. If you have multiple damaged copies of the same disk, you can piece together a complete, good image, sector by sector.
The goals of my archive are to be as complete and consistent as possible. That means all images are the same format, and that format is Kryoflux Stream. And since it’s sampling the flux instead of passing it through MFM decoding to create a bitstream, it’s the rawest dump you can get. :)
-- Ian If Ian can archive good images using Kyroflux and the rest of us can convert those images to other formats then we all win!
Ian, what do you need to go forward? If you have a list of floppies you either want images of or the physical disk I will help where I can. Much like the archiving of the 9010 tapes, this needs to be done sooner rather than later as floppies are failing due to age... John :-#)# -- How to subscribe or unsubscribe from TTL http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
John Robertson writes:
On 2018/08/10 8:51 PM, Ian Eure wrote:
teeray writes:
Kryoflux stream format is not the standard. How would people without a Kryoflux board write the disk image ?
Recent SamDisk can convert Kryoflux Stream images to its own format, or ImageDisk, and you can write those. There’s an example in the README in the archive.
All you need is a raw dump of the disk.
Then everyone can write the image to a disk.
There is no "standard" format, which is one of the reasons why the 9100 disk image situation is such mess. This one is in TeleDisk format and disk 3 seems to be bad, someone said this is good, but it’s SAMDisk, and you need Windows to write that instead of DOS and blah blah blah. I wanted images which were absolutely known to be good or bad, and clearly documented as such.
Kryoflux is what I chose, because it’s designed for archival, and has supporting features which other methods don’t. It shows you if the media has been modified by someone after it was pressed, so you know if you’re actually getting the original disk or one keyed to a specific machine’s serial number. It doesn’t fail on bad sectors, it dumps them and you can see exactly which were bad. If you have multiple damaged copies of the same disk, you can piece together a complete, good image, sector by sector.
The goals of my archive are to be as complete and consistent as possible. That means all images are the same format, and that format is Kryoflux Stream. And since it’s sampling the flux instead of passing it through MFM decoding to create a bitstream, it’s the rawest dump you can get. :)
-- Ian If Ian can archive good images using Kyroflux and the rest of us can convert those images to other formats then we all win!
Ian, what do you need to go forward? If you have a list of floppies you either want images of or the physical disk I will help where I can. Much like the archiving of the 9010 tapes, this needs to be done sooner rather than later as floppies are failing due to age...
I personally tend to overkill, so I’d like to get ahold of as many disks as possible, even if they’re ones I already have copies of. You never know if you’ll find something a little different, and there’s no way to know but to check. I’m happy to pay shipping, and if you’d like duplicates to use as working copies, I’ll make some and include them when I return the originals. Anything I image gets put in the archive so everyone can benefit. My personal wish is for: - More service disks. Even if they’ve been used, the Kryoflux will show what sectors were modified to hold the machine’s serial number. This could be valuable to better understand how this process works. - Any 9100 disks versions 1.x-3.x and 5.x. The 4.x stuff seems to be the most common, and 6.0 / 6.1 have been circulated a fair amount as well. While these aren’t useful for using the 9100s today, I’m interested in preserving anything I can, and that’s a big gap. -- Ian _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
On Sat, Aug 11, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Ian Eure <ian@retrospec.tv> wrote:
My personal wish is for:
- More service disks. - Any 9100 disks versions 1.x-3.x and 5.x.
Adding to this, the following 9132 software has not yet been archived: 9132A-R2000 9132FT-R3000 9132A-320C2X 9132A-64180 9132A-68HC11 (current archived copy is incomplete) 9132FT-68030 9132FT-68302 9132FT-68040 (version exists recreated from the PART/PODLIB folders on a HDD image) 9132A-7810 9132A-80C186 (current archived copy has altered labels) 9132A-80C88 9132FT-80286 9132FT-80386 9132FT-80386SX 9132FT-80486 9132FT-80960MC 9132A Firmware Upgrade Kit V2.1K Plus of course the 9100FT service disk mentioned earlier. _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com https://pairlist7.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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