Yes, I'm a laser guy. Purely for my collection. I've got a few neat laser games ... besides my son likes them. I'm having an issue with getting my Cliff Hanger finished. Has anyone tried using a different NTSC card inside of the card that came with the game? I am attempting to use a WG card... this card would work in a DL game for example and it is what we used to install in our games that we retailed (they're not made any more). I already found that it outputs neg sync and the VMB expects pos sync (no big deal, I can fix that with an inverter). I'm getting horribly distorted pictures from the player/NTSC, while the direct output from the GSI is fine. If I run the player/NTSC directly to the monitor, it looks great as well so I do know that the NTSC card actually works. Worse case I could use that and ignore the added graphics. Being the "purist" (snob) I am, I'd really like to get it working 100%. The card that came with the game has two problems. One, wires were cut so I'm not 100% sure what goes where. The best schema I have is hand written and has a wire that I'm not sure about (just labeled "B" and was hard wired to a Sanyo? Monitor for blanking...). Two, I don't even know if it is working. Aside from the "B" line, I hooked it up how I thought it would work but I didn't get anything. I'm going to play around with it a little more but I would think that any old NTSC should work. It looks like the output signal is just not strong enough to drive the VMB and so it looks very bad --James Bright www.QuarterArcade.com Restored Arcade Games for your Home If you ever want to (un)subscribe yourself with TTL, you can send mail to: <Majordomo@flippers.com> with the following command in the body of your email message: (un)subscribe techtoolslist or from another email account, besides xxx@yyy.com: (un)subscribe techtoolslist xxx@yyy.com