In case anyone is interested there are some PAT9000 bits and pieces up on ebay. They aren't mine -- I just saw 'em listed. Kurt If you ever want to (un)subscribe yourself with TTL, you can send mail to: <Majordomo@flippers.com> with the following command in the body of your email message: (un)subscribe techtoolslist or from another email account, besides xxx@yyy.com: (un)subscribe techtoolslist xxx@yyy.com