Fluke 9010a Troubleshooting w/ Omega Race
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here. Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod. First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine. So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man. thanks Matt _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
I don't have an answer, but Omega Race is Bally / Midway isn't it? Interesting because MCR boards will do pretty much the same thing as well, the Fluke just can't copy with them for some reason, if that's the way to put it. I've not found a resolution to that one yet but to be fair my selection of Fluke hardware to try is pretty limited! Martin.
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
Matt _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
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I had similar situations with several tron boardsets. Turned out the +5V was just low enough to handle the original Z80 but not quite the pod. Once I turned up the voltage a little bit it fired up just fine with the pod and I was able to debug. -Adam =============== www.onecircuit.com =============== On 1/22/07, Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> wrote:
I don't have an answer, but Omega Race is Bally / Midway isn't it?
Interesting because MCR boards will do pretty much the same thing as well, the Fluke just can't copy with them for some reason, if that's the way to put it. I've not found a resolution to that one yet but to be fair my selection of Fluke hardware to try is pretty limited!
Martin.
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
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I'm beating up an Omega Race board right now for a customer and I find it is not very pod friendly. I found that if one clipped pin 8 (9? - I'm at home right now) of the final reset stage and tied it high that this would deal with the negative RESET stuff. I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114. Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138. I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much! John :-#)# At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
Matt
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I'll have to try your suggestion. It seems like I can get through the ram tests if I ground pin 1 of k6 (74LS00) and maybe do a manual reset by grounding R107. I just want to get to the point where the game self-test starts to work. I basically use the fluke 9010a ram test(s) to quickly see what data/address lines are faulty. Then it's pretty easy after that. The rom signature test doesn't seem to work right, so I just verify each of them with my rom programer. I did finish fixing one Omega Race today, I just have one more. They are a huge pain because most of the time I have to clean up the corroded mess and rewire some of the damaged traces. Matt On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, John Robertson wrote:
I'm beating up an Omega Race board right now for a customer and I find it is not very pod friendly.
I found that if one clipped pin 8 (9? - I'm at home right now) of the final reset stage and tied it high that this would deal with the negative RESET stuff.
I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114.
Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138.
I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much!
John :-#)#
At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
Matt
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Hey John, I recently swooped up a Xeltek SuperPro Model 280U on Ebay for a pretty cheap price. It works great and I can test a number of rams with it including 6116 Static Rams, but I don't see any support for 2114 rams. How were you able to make your Xeltek SuperPro be able to test them? Just Curious, Matt On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:59 -0800, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote: ...
I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114.
Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138.
I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much!
John :-#)#
At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I
have
the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
Matt
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I had an earlier version of the SuperPro software that allows you to create your own test patterns for RAMs or ROM/PROMs - this was at an extra cost back in the mid-90s.. Ask Xeltek if they provide the Algorithm Generator software for your model. My older SuperPro also have the native ability to create simple algorithms for TTL logic chips that were not in its library. I used that feature to write some simple tests for 40 pin PIAs that were not supported at the time - nicely enough the 6821/6820/6520 was supported which is a help checking those out. John :-#)# Matt Rossiter wrote:
Hey John,
I recently swooped up a Xeltek SuperPro Model 280U on Ebay for a pretty cheap price. It works great and I can test a number of rams with it including 6116 Static Rams, but I don't see any support for 2114 rams. How were you able to make your Xeltek SuperPro be able to test them?
Just Curious,
Matt
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:59 -0800, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote: ...
I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114.
Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138.
I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much!
John :-#)#
At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I
have
the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
Matt
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This question is for anyone of course. :) Thanks! Matt On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 01:20:27 -0700, Matt Rossiter <matt@rossiters.com> wrote:
Hey John,
I recently swooped up a Xeltek SuperPro Model 280U on Ebay for a pretty cheap price. It works great and I can test a number of rams with it including 6116 Static Rams, but I don't see any support for 2114 rams. How were you able to make your Xeltek SuperPro be able to test them?
Just Curious,
Matt
On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:01:59 -0800, John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> wrote: ...
I had a lot (8) of the 2114's that were bad and ended up making my Xeltek Super Pro be able to test those suckers as I do not have a stand-alone RAM tester that would handle the 2114.
Problems with reading the Vector ROM/RAM have yet to be solved, even had trouble reading the game ROM for a while - flaky 74LS138.
I hate getting working on these corroded boards. Not worth my time, yet too much of a challenge to discard...I love puzzles too much!
John :-#)#
At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I
have
the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
Matt
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At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
Matt
This board requires a Z80A CPU, perhaps your Z80 pod CPU is too slow? Try installing a Z80A in the pod (I run a Z80B)... I do know that with pin 8 of RP4 cut and the board side tied high, that I can run the RAM, ROM and I/O tests successfully on an OR that is STILL on my bench. Flacky problems were caused by a bad ground connection to a buffer. John :-#)# -- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist
Hmm. I didn't think about the Z80 speed issue. I'll have to try that. By the way, since we're on the topic of fixing Omega Race - What do you normally do when you run across a bad 8216 Data Buffer? Do you try to replace them with a 74LS245? Fortunately, I haven't run across this problem yet, but I'm sure it'll come up. Matt On Mon, 22 Jan 2007, John Robertson wrote:
At 12:36 AM -0800 1/22/07, Matt Rossiter wrote:
This might be more of a Vectorlist question, but I thought I might try here.
Right now I'm using a 100% working Omega Race boardset to make sure I have the correct setup using the Fluke 9010a and Z80 Pod.
First of all, the boardset just won't run with the Z80 Pod. I can see that the Reset line is pulsing. It won't run if I disable the watchdog circuit either. *sometimes* I can get it to do a Quick Ram Test successfully. Other times I get data error messages and if I do a bus test it will report a bunch of data lines tied together. Of course, if I put a normal z80 processor back in the game works perfectly fine.
So, I'm just wondering if anyone out there knows how to properly setup an Omega Race boardset for troubleshooting with the Fluke 9010a and Z80 pod. This Pod should be working fine since I used it recently on a Pac-Man.
thanks
Matt
This board requires a Z80A CPU, perhaps your Z80 pod CPU is too slow? Try installing a Z80A in the pod (I run a Z80B)...
I do know that with pin 8 of RP4 cut and the board side tied high, that I can run the RAM, ROM and I/O tests successfully on an OR that is STILL on my bench. Flacky problems were caused by a bad ground connection to a buffer.
John :-#)#
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