RE: [Techtoolslist] Troubleshooting a defective pod
Actually, please DO top post! Its far, far easier to read on s mobile phone that way :) -----Original Message----- From: John Robertson Sent: 02/02/2013 18:13 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Troubleshooting a defective pod Andre Huijts wrote:
One more thing:
The manual says to do a ROM test and it gives the addresses in the table but it fails to give the correct signature ?
Anyone knows it for the Z80 pod ROM V1.1 ?
Don't Top Post please! Take the ROM image and pass it through the Signature Generator in the FIDE generator you can download here: http://tech.quarterarcade.com/tech/Fluke/9010A/FIDE.aspx John :-#)#
Op 2 feb. 2013, om 15:53 heeft Andre Huijts <a.huijts@upcmail.nl> het volgende geschreven:
OK, I recently traded a working 8088 pod (still have two others) for a working Z80 pod. I also (temporarily) have a 9010A added to my Fluke stuff.
Now I figured (like the Z80 pod manual suggests) to troubleshoot my defective Z80 pod with the 2nd working one.
The working one self-tests fine on both my 9100A and the 9010A. The defective shows problems on both the 9100A (not recognized please reset) and 9010A.
Now....I am confused about the powering up of this set-up.
The normal set-up seems to say to do the following when using a "normal" UUT (no pod):
1) power off troubleshooter and UUT 2) connect pod to troubleshooter 3) power on troubleshooter, do self test 4) plug in ribbon cable to UUT
So...basically you have to connect the ribbon cable to the UUT while the troubleshooter and POD are powered up ? Feels kind of strange to plug it into the UUT's processor socket while it carries power ?
Anyway, next I start reading page 5-12 in the Z80 pod manual and here I get confused:
Under "Prepare to troubleshoot the inoperative pod as follows" it says:
3) Connect the pod under test to +5V etc. etc......so here they seem to say to DO power up the "UUT (= the defective pod)" BEFORE turning on the power of the troubleshooter.
Step 4) says: Connect a troubleshooter (the 2nd one in my case, the one that will do the troubleshooting) to a 2nd (working) pod, apply power to that troubleshooter and then connect the ribbon cable to the sockpet of the defective pod....
So basically, this is the other way around of the normal set-up.....which I find strange.
They further cloud things by the next text in BOLD:
"Do not apply or remove any power with ribbon cable connected between second pod and inoperative pod."
So this means I should have to first remove the ribbon connector from the socket of the bad pod before turning any troubleshooter off....right ?
I fear I already did some switching on/off, basically as if it were to be a regular UUT. The good Z80 pod still self-tests OK so I hope I didn't damage anything.
Can someone please tell me what is the right way to do this ?
I did see Power failure messages at some point.....
André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl
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Not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong when posting ? Anyway, I just read the EPROM with my Needham and compared it in the editor with the file on the FTP site ant they are identical so I'm sure the ROM is OK. Am I really the first to test a pod with another pod ? Someone must have done it before me ? Something else that struck me: Fluke must have had their own 9100 programs for their own POD series (amongst others) I presume ? I mean, it would be pretty weird if they didn't use their own tool........... Anyway I think I got it to work by powering up both the 9010 (with bad pod connected) and the 9100 (with the good pod). After power up I connected the ribbon cable of the good pod to the bad pod.... I know this is against normal UUT testing procedure. Did do bus testing, RAM testing and get all (or at least most) Datalines as stuck high. Working from there....or are these false readings because of wrong hook-up ? Op 2 feb. 2013, om 21:16 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
Actually, please DO top post! Its far, far easier to read on s mobile phone that way :)
-----Original Message----- From: John Robertson Sent: 02/02/2013 18:13 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Troubleshooting a defective pod
Andre Huijts wrote:
One more thing:
The manual says to do a ROM test and it gives the addresses in the table but it fails to give the correct signature ?
Anyone knows it for the Z80 pod ROM V1.1 ?
Don't Top Post please!
Take the ROM image and pass it through the Signature Generator in the FIDE generator you can download here:
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Andre Huijts wrote:
Not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong when posting ?
Anyway, I just read the EPROM with my Needham and compared it in the editor with the file on the FTP site ant they are identical so I'm sure the ROM is OK.
Am I really the first to test a pod with another pod ? Someone must have done it before me ? Something else that struck me: Fluke must have had their own 9100 programs for their own POD series (amongst others) I presume ? I mean, it would be pretty weird if they didn't use their own tool........... Anyway I think I got it to work by powering up both the 9010 (with bad pod connected) and the 9100 (with the good pod). After power up I connected the ribbon cable of the good pod to the bad pod....
I know this is against normal UUT testing procedure.
Did do bus testing, RAM testing and get all (or at least most) Datalines as stuck high. Working from there....or are these false readings because of wrong hook-up ?
Hi Andre (and all), Fluke had a set of POD test fixtures that allowed one to service the pods to make sure they were up to spec. These included tapes for the testing process. I happen to have a set up these - for tapes see the ftp site under /Fluke/9010a Tapes: Pod_Test (6502/6800/8080/8085/Z80 & 6802). Pictures of the test fixtures are named "9000pod.jpg". I haven't looked at these since 2002, as I haven't had any pods needing service (not going to lend them either) but I can take better pictures if anyone wants to duplicate them. John :-#)#
Op 2 feb. 2013, om 21:16 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
Actually, please DO top post! Its far, far easier to read on s mobile phone that way :)
-----Original Message----- From: John Robertson Sent: 02/02/2013 18:13 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Troubleshooting a defective pod
Andre Huijts wrote:
One more thing:
The manual says to do a ROM test and it gives the addresses in the table but it fails to give the correct signature ?
Anyone knows it for the Z80 pod ROM V1.1 ?
Don't Top Post please!
Take the ROM image and pass it through the Signature Generator in the FIDE generator you can download here:
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Yeah I'd seen those pictures. I really lack time to repro those, would be nice though. Still got all datalines stuck high when testing the bad Z80 pod, might have found something, U10 is getting really hot (see my other mail, sorry) Op 4 feb. 2013, om 07:20 heeft John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> het volgende geschreven:
Andre Huijts wrote:
Not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong when posting ?
Anyway, I just read the EPROM with my Needham and compared it in the editor with the file on the FTP site ant they are identical so I'm sure the ROM is OK.
Am I really the first to test a pod with another pod ? Someone must have done it before me ? Something else that struck me: Fluke must have had their own 9100 programs for their own POD series (amongst others) I presume ? I mean, it would be pretty weird if they didn't use their own tool........... Anyway I think I got it to work by powering up both the 9010 (with bad pod connected) and the 9100 (with the good pod). After power up I connected the ribbon cable of the good pod to the bad pod....
I know this is against normal UUT testing procedure.
Did do bus testing, RAM testing and get all (or at least most) Datalines as stuck high. Working from there....or are these false readings because of wrong hook-up ?
Hi Andre (and all),
Fluke had a set of POD test fixtures that allowed one to service the pods to make sure they were up to spec. These included tapes for the testing process. I happen to have a set up these - for tapes see the ftp site under /Fluke/9010a Tapes: Pod_Test (6502/6800/8080/8085/Z80 & 6802). Pictures of the test fixtures are named "9000pod.jpg". I haven't looked at these since 2002, as I haven't had any pods needing service (not going to lend them either) but I can take better pictures if anyone wants to duplicate them.
John :-#)#
Op 2 feb. 2013, om 21:16 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het volgende geschreven:
Actually, please DO top post! Its far, far easier to read on s mobile phone that way :)
-----Original Message----- From: John Robertson Sent: 02/02/2013 18:13 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Troubleshooting a defective pod
Andre Huijts wrote:
One more thing:
The manual says to do a ROM test and it gives the addresses in the table but it fails to give the correct signature ?
Anyone knows it for the Z80 pod ROM V1.1 ?
Don't Top Post please!
Take the ROM image and pass it through the Signature Generator in the FIDE generator you can download here:
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl
Replace it. If you Google "Fluke 585992" it shows up as available at Lintech Components, but they make you request a quote to get the price. God I hate that! Yeah I'd seen those pictures. I really lack time to repro those, would be nice though. Still got all datalines stuck high when testing the bad Z80 pod, might have found something, U10 is getting really hot (see my other mail, sorry) Op 4 feb. 2013, om 07:20 heeft John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> het volgende geschreven:
Andre Huijts wrote:
Not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong when posting ?
Anyway, I just read the EPROM with my Needham and compared it in the editor with the file on the FTP site ant they are identical so I'm sure the ROM is OK.
Am I really the first to test a pod with another pod ? Someone must have done it before me ? Something else that struck me: Fluke must have had their own 9100 programs for their own POD series (amongst others) I presume ? I mean, it would be pretty weird if they didn't use their own tool........... Anyway I think I got it to work by powering up both the 9010 (with bad pod connected) and the 9100 (with the good pod). After power up I connected the ribbon cable of the good pod to the bad pod....
I know this is against normal UUT testing procedure.
Did do bus testing, RAM testing and get all (or at least most) Datalines as stuck high. Working from there....or are these false readings because of wrong hook-up ?
Hi Andre (and all),
Fluke had a set of POD test fixtures that allowed one to service the pods to make sure they were up to spec. These included tapes for the testing process. I happen to have a set up these - for tapes see the ftp site under /Fluke/9010a Tapes: Pod_Test (6502/6800/8080/8085/Z80 & 6802). Pictures of the test fixtures are named "9000pod.jpg". I haven't looked at these since 2002, as I haven't had any pods needing service (not going to lend them either) but I can take better pictures if anyone wants to duplicate them.
John :-#)#
Op 2 feb. 2013, om 21:16 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het
volgende geschreven:
Actually, please DO top post! Its far, far easier to read on s mobile
phone that way :)
-----Original Message----- From: John Robertson Sent: 02/02/2013 18:13 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Troubleshooting a defective pod
Andre Huijts wrote:
One more thing:
The manual says to do a ROM test and it gives the addresses in the
table but it fails to give the correct signature ?
Anyone knows it for the Z80 pod ROM V1.1 ?
Don't Top Post please!
Take the ROM image and pass it through the Signature Generator in the FIDE generator you can download here:
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Me too, and I totally doubt they actually have the part, probably they just have some database full of listed parts from years and years... Op 5 feb. 2013, om 01:10 heeft Rodger Boots <rlboots2@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
Replace it. If you Google "Fluke 585992" it shows up as available at Lintech Components, but they make you request a quote to get the price. God I hate that! Yeah I'd seen those pictures. I really lack time to repro those, would be nice though.
Still got all datalines stuck high when testing the bad Z80 pod, might have found something, U10 is getting really hot (see my other mail, sorry)
Op 4 feb. 2013, om 07:20 heeft John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> het volgende geschreven:
Andre Huijts wrote:
Not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong when posting ?
Anyway, I just read the EPROM with my Needham and compared it in the editor with the file on the FTP site ant they are identical so I'm sure the ROM is OK.
Am I really the first to test a pod with another pod ? Someone must have done it before me ? Something else that struck me: Fluke must have had their own 9100 programs for their own POD series (amongst others) I presume ? I mean, it would be pretty weird if they didn't use their own tool........... Anyway I think I got it to work by powering up both the 9010 (with bad pod connected) and the 9100 (with the good pod). After power up I connected the ribbon cable of the good pod to the bad pod....
I know this is against normal UUT testing procedure.
Did do bus testing, RAM testing and get all (or at least most) Datalines as stuck high. Working from there....or are these false readings because of wrong hook-up ?
Hi Andre (and all),
Fluke had a set of POD test fixtures that allowed one to service the pods to make sure they were up to spec. These included tapes for the testing process. I happen to have a set up these - for tapes see the ftp site under /Fluke/9010a Tapes: Pod_Test (6502/6800/8080/8085/Z80 & 6802). Pictures of the test fixtures are named "9000pod.jpg". I haven't looked at these since 2002, as I haven't had any pods needing service (not going to lend them either) but I can take better pictures if anyone wants to duplicate them.
John :-#)#
Op 2 feb. 2013, om 21:16 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het
volgende geschreven:
Actually, please DO top post! Its far, far easier to read on s mobile
phone that way :)
-----Original Message----- From: John Robertson Sent: 02/02/2013 18:13 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Troubleshooting a defective pod
Andre Huijts wrote:
One more thing:
The manual says to do a ROM test and it gives the addresses in the
table but it fails to give the correct signature ?
Anyone knows it for the Z80 pod ROM V1.1 ?
Don't Top Post please!
Take the ROM image and pass it through the Signature Generator in the FIDE generator you can download here:
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out"
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André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Send a note to Shy @ Navatek.com - he has a lot of the old fluke parts, might have those - do quote the part number 585992! I have a 9900 pod that I am using for parts (seems to be little interest in those pods) and could pull that IC/Buffer off if same part number, but better to get a new one from Shy if he has them. Shy has been a big help to many Fluke collectors... John :-#)# Rodger Boots wrote:
Replace it. If you Google "Fluke 585992" it shows up as available at Lintech Components, but they make you request a quote to get the price. God I hate that! Yeah I'd seen those pictures. I really lack time to repro those, would be nice though.
Still got all datalines stuck high when testing the bad Z80 pod, might have found something, U10 is getting really hot (see my other mail, sorry)
Op 4 feb. 2013, om 07:20 heeft John Robertson <jrr@flippers.com> het volgende geschreven:
Andre Huijts wrote:
Not exactly sure what I'm doing wrong when posting ?
Anyway, I just read the EPROM with my Needham and compared it in the
editor with the file on the FTP site ant they are identical so I'm sure the ROM is OK.
Am I really the first to test a pod with another pod ? Someone must have
done it before me ? Something else that struck me: Fluke must have had their own 9100 programs for their own POD series (amongst others) I presume ? I mean, it would be pretty weird if they didn't use their own tool...........
Anyway I think I got it to work by powering up both the 9010 (with bad
pod connected) and the 9100 (with the good pod). After power up I connected the ribbon cable of the good pod to the bad pod....
I know this is against normal UUT testing procedure.
Did do bus testing, RAM testing and get all (or at least most) Datalines
as stuck high. Working from there....or are these false readings because of wrong hook-up ?
Hi Andre (and all),
Fluke had a set of POD test fixtures that allowed one to service the pods
to make sure they were up to spec. These included tapes for the testing process. I happen to have a set up these - for tapes see the ftp site under /Fluke/9010a Tapes: Pod_Test (6502/6800/8080/8085/Z80 & 6802). Pictures of the test fixtures are named "9000pod.jpg". I haven't looked at these since 2002, as I haven't had any pods needing service (not going to lend them either) but I can take better pictures if anyone wants to duplicate them.
John :-#)#
Op 2 feb. 2013, om 21:16 heeft Martin White <martin@guddler.co.uk> het
volgende geschreven:
Actually, please DO top post! Its far, far easier to read on s mobile
phone that way :)
-----Original Message----- From: John Robertson Sent: 02/02/2013 18:13 To: Technical Tools Mail List Subject: Re: [Techtoolslist] Troubleshooting a defective pod
Andre Huijts wrote:
One more thing:
The manual says to do a ROM test and it gives the addresses in the
table but it fails to give the correct signature ?
Anyone knows it for the Z80 pod ROM V1.1 ?
Don't Top Post please!
Take the ROM image and pass it through the Signature Generator in the
FIDE generator you can download here:
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call
(604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames)
www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip
out"
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
André Huijts andre.huijts@upcmail.nl
_______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
-- John's Jukes Ltd. 2343 Main St., Vancouver, BC, Canada V5T 3C9 Call (604)872-5757 or Fax 872-2010 (Pinballs, Jukes, VideoGames) www.flippers.com "Old pinballers never die, they just flip out" _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ttl.arcadetech.org/TTL/Test_Equipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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