Re: Programming the Fluke 9100 - Am I out of luck?
So it is a simple matter of mapping the ascii code to an IBM keyboard? Sounds like a job for a PIC. Is it possible to upload/download programs from the 9100? Thanks, Kev
Actually the 9100 unit requires 1200 baud ASCII 1 start bit, 8 data, and 2 stop bits.
Anyone know what the IBM keyboard sends out? I've been playing with my 9100 this afternoon, and it states "Keyboard missing" when I attempt to use the EDIT function. I am going to attempt to read the SCSI based drive with my W2K SCSI interface. Doubt it will work, but nothing to loose, perhaps it can be read...more later if anyone is interested...
John :-#)#
According to the docs you can copy from the hard drive to a floppy, however there is no way to copy the operating system from the hard drive onto another hard drive, it appears that Fluke used a copy protection system to prevent that. The docs mention that the floppy used to upload the new operating system must have their write-protect tab set to write, and then you can't reload the new operating system. I tried to hook up a second hard drive to the outboard SCSI port, but the system did not appear to identify it, wouldn't even ask if I wanted to format it. My W2K SCSI card did not identify the drive in the 9100 either...rats... I'm reading an old reference book on the PC (save EVERYTHING!) but while it talks a bit about the keyboard, it doesn't go into detail on the serial output format/speed. Certainly an IBM keyboard will plug in, and it is set up correctly for the power, but with no schematics on the 9100 I can't tell if the signal lines are configured correctly. Neither the AT or PC settings work, although the PC setting will allow the Num/Cap key LEDs to lit on/off. John :-#)# At 11:26 PM 14/04/2002 -0400, Kev wrote:
So it is a simple matter of mapping the ascii code to an IBM keyboard? Sounds like a job for a PIC.
Is it possible to upload/download programs from the 9100?
Thanks, Kev
Actually the 9100 unit requires 1200 baud ASCII 1 start bit, 8 data, and 2 stop bits.
Anyone know what the IBM keyboard sends out? I've been playing with my 9100 this afternoon, and it states "Keyboard missing" when I attempt to use the EDIT function. I am going to attempt to read the SCSI based drive with my W2K SCSI interface. Doubt it will work, but nothing to loose, perhaps it can be read...more later if anyone is interested...
John :-#)#
According to the docs you can copy from the hard drive to a floppy, however there is no way to copy the operating system from the hard drive onto another hard drive, it appears that Fluke used a copy protection system to prevent that. The docs mention that the floppy used to upload the new operating system must have their write-protect tab set to write, and then you can't reload the new operating system. I tried to hook up a second hard drive to the outboard SCSI port, but the system did not appear to identify it, wouldn't even ask if I wanted to format it. My W2K SCSI card did not identify the drive in the 9100 either...rats... The software is keyed to the serial number encoded on each machine. After install, even if you could copy it, you'd have to break the protection scheme to use it on another 9100. Although I had emails from previous members (maybe not on Techtools, but another list) of someone that had found never-installed disks and was going to make images of them for others to download.
Also note that both drives in my 9100's are MFM. They have a WD1006 "adaptor" card which translates them into ESDI, which is a precursor of SCSI. Also, from what little poking around I've done of the original code, the software is keyed to several drive types. If a new drive installed doesn't match specific parameters, it won't recognize it.
Certainly an IBM keyboard will plug in, and it is set up correctly for the power, but with no schematics on the 9100 I can't tell if the signal lines are configured correctly. Neither the AT or PC settings work, although the PC setting will allow the Num/Cap key LEDs to lit on/off. I believe this has been investigated before. I think the implementation is different enough to not allow a PC keyboard to just plug in. An adaptor (as suggested, perhaps using a simple PIC) would probably have to be developed.
Also note that when using the keyboard, you also have to use the external monitor. The internal display is only used for "operation", the monitor/keyboard for "programming". Kinda wierd. I have a keyboard, perhaps if I get time (and it would help someone) I could poke around to see how it works.
It would appear that a standard IBM keyboard MIGHT work, but it has to have the RESET line wired in! In my old IBM PC ADVANCED TROUBLESHOOTING book (1987) it mentions that older keyboards sometimes had a RESET line, but this was no longer common, and if you check the schematic of the 9100 (page 163 of the 9100_svc_part2.pdf on the FLUKE CDs) you will note that the RESET (pin 3) is used, and the pin that is ignored is the request/CLOCK (pin 2)! So now I'm going to rewire my ancient keyboard...stay tuned! If anyone would like that pdf, it should be up on www.spies.com/arcade in the technical section John :-#)# At 12:56 AM 15/04/2002 -0400, Corey Stup wrote:
According to the docs you can copy from the hard drive to a floppy, however there is no way to copy the operating system from the hard drive onto another hard drive, it appears that Fluke used a copy protection system to prevent that. The docs mention that the floppy used to upload the new operating system must have their write-protect tab set to write, and then you can't reload the new operating system. I tried to hook up a second hard drive to the outboard SCSI port, but the system did not appear to identify it, wouldn't even ask if I wanted to format it. My W2K SCSI card did not identify the drive in the 9100 either...rats... The software is keyed to the serial number encoded on each machine. After install, even if you could copy it, you'd have to break the protection scheme to use it on another 9100. Although I had emails from previous members (maybe not on Techtools, but another list) of someone that had found never-installed disks and was going to make images of them for others to download.
Also note that both drives in my 9100's are MFM. They have a WD1006 "adaptor" card which translates them into ESDI, which is a precursor of SCSI.
Also, from what little poking around I've done of the original code, the software is keyed to several drive types. If a new drive installed doesn't match specific parameters, it won't recognize it.
Certainly an IBM keyboard will plug in, and it is set up correctly for the power, but with no schematics on the 9100 I can't tell if the signal lines are configured correctly. Neither the AT or PC settings work, although the PC setting will allow the Num/Cap key LEDs to lit on/off. I believe this has been investigated before. I think the implementation is different enough to not allow a PC keyboard to just plug in. An adaptor (as suggested, perhaps using a simple PIC) would probably have to be developed.
Also note that when using the keyboard, you also have to use the external monitor. The internal display is only used for "operation", the monitor/keyboard for "programming". Kinda wierd.
I have a keyboard, perhaps if I get time (and it would help someone) I could poke around to see how it works.
According to the docs you can copy from the hard drive to a floppy, however there is no way to copy the operating system from the hard drive onto another hard drive, it appears that Fluke used a copy protection system to prevent that. The docs mention that the floppy used to upload the new operating system must have their write-protect tab set to write, and then you can't reload the new operating system. I tried to hook up a second hard drive to the outboard SCSI port, but the system did not appear to identify it, wouldn't even ask if I wanted to format it. My W2K SCSI card did not identify the drive in the 9100 either...rats...
Sounds *worse* than Microshaft XP :) What are the exact model/number/descriptions of the drive? With some research there may be a way to do a direct copy from drive to drive or similar. Anybody have an original OS install floppy? (unused I guess) I have a system that would have a good chance of imaging it and copying it.
I'm reading an old reference book on the PC (save EVERYTHING!) but while it talks a bit about the keyboard, it doesn't go into detail on the serial output format/speed.
Certainly an IBM keyboard will plug in, and it is set up correctly for the power, but with no schematics on the 9100 I can't tell if the signal lines are configured correctly. Neither the AT or PC settings work, although the PC setting will allow the Num/Cap key LEDs to lit on/off.
http://www.beyondlogic.org/keyboard/keybrd.htm http://govschl.ndsu.nodak.edu/~achapwes/PICmicro/PS2/ps2.htm http://www.hth.com/filelibrary/TXTFILES/keyboard.txt and of course :) http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=ibm+keyboard+protocol Cheers, Marc
Anybody have an original OS install floppy? (unused I guess) I have a system that would have a good chance of imaging it and copying it.
I think I know who has unused OS floppies but there is some concern about the model they are for. So anyone look at disassembling the code/ find the original programmers? Kev
Well if anyone would like to send me unused OS floppies, I can have a go at imaging them and copying them. I don't have a 9100, but can send them back to test. I have a PC I made just for imaging old floppies, with a program called Teledisk (does raw head reads/writes, format irrelevant), and also have some other raw floppy disk tools, and a particular card ad drives that will do even old single density floppies. I know a guy in the USA who may do it for a small fee, he has a similar and possibly better setup for archiving old computer disks. I'm in Australia, so it'd be airmail, but even that's safe and pretty cheap. Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kev" <KKlopp@erols.com> To: "Marc Alexander" <marcwolf123@yahoo.com>; <TechToolsList@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, April 15, 2002 10:54 PM Subject: Re: Programming the Fluke 9100 - Am I out of luck?
Anybody have an original OS install floppy? (unused I guess) I have a system that would have a good chance of imaging it and copying it.
I think I know who has unused OS floppies but there is some concern about the model they are for.
So anyone look at disassembling the code/ find the original programmers?
Kev
I belive copying the disk is facilitated by the 9100 so I don't think that is much of an issue, just copy before you install as it rewrites the disc with a serial #. The serial # / hard drive is the main issue right? Kev
Can someone give me a quick step by step rundown on using a 9010A for the first time? I have a 9010A, Z80 pod, probe, and a nearly working original Namco Galaga board, which I thought would be a good start :) I haven't used the 9010A at all except to turn it on and self test the pods, so a simple step by step of how to set it up, what buttons to press, downloading the script (I've got the script I think), how to set up the board for testing, running tests, etc. would be great to kickstart me. I can even turn it into a simple 'getting started' example for anyone later as I get used to this for the first time. Thanks very much, Marc
Assuming you have a 232 port go download the Galaga script & rksic.exe from John's FTP site, use rksic as your "terminal" program and send the hex (.H) file to the 9010A & run it. It will take a bit of playing to get the 9010A communicating on the 232 port using rksic parameters & dips on the back of the 9010. If you don't have it you can look at the script version (.S) file for some hints on the memory map that you can key in by hand. Nothing real special to do to the board, just pick a processor & plug the 9010A in, power the 9010A up first, then the test board. Just yell if you need more help. Kev
Can someone give me a quick step by step rundown on using a 9010A for the first time?
I have a 9010A, Z80 pod, probe, and a nearly working original Namco Galaga board, which I thought would be a good start :)
I haven't used the 9010A at all except to turn it on and self test the pods, so a simple step by step of how to set it up, what buttons to press, downloading the script (I've got the script I think), how to set up the board for testing, running tests, etc. would be great to kickstart me. I can even turn it into a simple 'getting started' example for anyone later as I get used to this for the first time.
Thanks very much,
Marc
Hi Mark, You can also go to: http://www.spies.com/arcade/TE/index.html and download the 9010 documents, there is a training guide as well as the operators and programmers manual, although you might want to start with the basic tests as outlined in the Operators Manual. Then wander to our FTP site: ftp.flippers.com/Fluke and there you will find both scripts and programs for the programming and testing of a number of games, plus in the PDF directory more manuals and tech material to read. If you download the Galaga.s script and study it, that will give you some clues as to how the unit runs and what it tests. On the side, Galaga games often have broken SIP resistors, check if yours are the thin white ceramic style (the really fragile ones) or the black chubbier style (fairly reliable). The white ones often break where the lead is crimped to the ceramic material... John :-#)# At 11:45 PM 15/04/2002 +1000, Marc Alexander wrote:
Can someone give me a quick step by step rundown on using a 9010A for the first time?
I have a 9010A, Z80 pod, probe, and a nearly working original Namco Galaga board, which I thought would be a good start :)
I haven't used the 9010A at all except to turn it on and self test the pods, so a simple step by step of how to set it up, what buttons to press, downloading the script (I've got the script I think), how to set up the board for testing, running tests, etc. would be great to kickstart me. I can even turn it into a simple 'getting started' example for anyone later as I get used to this for the first time.
Thanks very much,
Marc
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