I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns: 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost? 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why? Thanks, Bill Sudbrink _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program. There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that allow it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for computers without a serial port. Others will chime in I'm sure. Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink@verizon.net> To: "Techtools List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer... I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns: 1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost? 2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why? Thanks, Bill Sudbrink _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's Arcade, serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B. AF On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, <wkarkula@comcast.net> wrote:
I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program.
There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that allow it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for computers without a serial port.
Others will chime in I'm sure.
Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink@verizon.net> To: "Techtools List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer...
I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns:
1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost?
2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why?
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What Serial to USB adapter do you guys use? When I try to upload a file to the Data I/O 29B it times out while waiting for a response from the programmer. I've tried several different settings with no luck using the Airlink101. Matt On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400, Arcadeforever <arcadeforever@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's Arcade, serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B.
AF
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, <wkarkula@comcast.net> wrote:
I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program.
There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that allow it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for computers without a serial port.
Others will chime in I'm sure.
Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink@verizon.net> To: "Techtools List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer...
I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns:
1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost?
2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why?
Thanks, Bill Sudbrink _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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I do remember that there was one dipswitch that had to be set in the Data I/O to make it into a remote station instead of stand-alone (was it #7??). That and make sure obviously you are hooked up to the right com port and upload using binary. If that still doesnt work feel free contact me directy and I will run you through the settings in mine. AF On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 02:08, Matt Rossiter <matt@rossiters.com> wrote:
What Serial to USB adapter do you guys use? When I try to upload a file to the Data I/O 29B it times out while waiting for a response from the programmer. I've tried several different settings with no luck using the Airlink101.
Matt
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400, Arcadeforever <arcadeforever@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's Arcade, serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B.
AF
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, <wkarkula@comcast.net> wrote:
I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program.
There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that allow it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for computers without a serial port.
Others will chime in I'm sure.
Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink@verizon.net> To: "Techtools List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer...
I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns:
1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost?
2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why?
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I successfully use a USB->Serial adapter within OS X and Windows XP that is unbranded but contains the "Prolific" chipset. I would therefore recommend any adapter based on that. I use the Data I/O 29B with that. That's the easy bit. The difficult bit is that very few manufacturers actually let you know what's in their units prior to you buying them so it's a bit hit and miss. I need to go through this exercise myself really as 1 adapter isn't enough for my needs so I could do with another. Martin.
I do remember that there was one dipswitch that had to be set in the Data I/O to make it into a remote station instead of stand-alone (was it #7??). That and make sure obviously you are hooked up to the right com port and upload using binary.
If that still doesnt work feel free contact me directy and I will run you through the settings in mine.
AF
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 02:08, Matt Rossiter <matt@rossiters.com> wrote:
What Serial to USB adapter do you guys use? When I try to upload a file to the Data I/O 29B it times out while waiting for a response from the programmer. I've tried several different settings with no luck using the Airlink101.
Matt
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400, Arcadeforever <arcadeforever@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's Arcade, serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B.
AF
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, <wkarkula@comcast.net> wrote:
I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program.
There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that allow it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for computers without a serial port.
Others will chime in I'm sure.
Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink@verizon.net> To: "Techtools List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer...
I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns:
1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost?
2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why?
Thanks, Bill Sudbrink _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/ _______________________________________________ Techtoolslist mailing list Techtoolslist@flippers.com http://seven.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/techtoolslist FTP site is: ftp://ftp.flippers.com/TTL/TestEquipment Archive site: http://seven.pairlist.net/pipermail/techtoolslist/
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Just to further clarify, this is the one I have (and I've just ordered another!): http://www.amazon.co.uk/Serial-adapter-converter-connect-printer/dp/B000L0UD... I didn't expect to find it quite that easily :) Sorry for the UK link. Couldn't spot the same one on Amazon US. Martin.
I successfully use a USB->Serial adapter within OS X and Windows XP that is unbranded but contains the "Prolific" chipset. I would therefore recommend any adapter based on that. I use the Data I/O 29B with that.
That's the easy bit. The difficult bit is that very few manufacturers actually let you know what's in their units prior to you buying them so it's a bit hit and miss.
I need to go through this exercise myself really as 1 adapter isn't enough for my needs so I could do with another.
Martin.
I do remember that there was one dipswitch that had to be set in the Data I/O to make it into a remote station instead of stand-alone (was it #7??). That and make sure obviously you are hooked up to the right com port and upload using binary.
If that still doesnt work feel free contact me directy and I will run you through the settings in mine.
AF
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 02:08, Matt Rossiter <matt@rossiters.com> wrote:
What Serial to USB adapter do you guys use? When I try to upload a file to the Data I/O 29B it times out while waiting for a response from the programmer. I've tried several different settings with no luck using the Airlink101.
Matt
On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:33:40 -0400, Arcadeforever <arcadeforever@gmail.com> wrote:
Yup, agreed, thats my setup, a laptop with XP, software from Mike's Arcade, serial to USB and the DATA I/O 29B.
AF
On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 22:24, <wkarkula@comcast.net> wrote:
I'd get a Data I/O 29B for the old stuff and a willem for the new stuff. Matches the era of programmer with the era of chips you want to program.
There are software patches for the dos Data I/O PROMLINK program that allow it to run on a win XP computer and also a usb to serial converter for computers without a serial port.
Others will chime in I'm sure.
Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Sudbrink" <wh.sudbrink@verizon.net> To: "Techtools List" <techtoolslist@flippers.com> Sent: Monday, June 8, 2009 10:29:21 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer...
I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns:
1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost?
2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why?
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Hey Bill, good to see you here. Like most others, I have a Data I/O 29B for most of the older chips. I also have a Data I/O 19 which is capable of doing 1702As, but I only have half of the adapter and doubt I'll ever find the rest of it. I have an Szerlip S100 setup which will do the 1702As if necessary. For newer stuff, I use a GQ Willem model from MCUMall that is fully USB powered and has worked really well for me. If you don't already have a Data I/O unit, I have an offer for you - I have a couple portable units (I _think_ they're Model 60 but they're not immediately at hand so that may be the wrong number) that have failed with RAM errors. Whatever the number, they are essentially 29Bs with multichip adapters. Nice and light, and built into a clamshell case. If you really feel like fixing something, I'll send them both to you for the cost of postage - fix them both, send one back to me and keep the other - best, Jack
-----Original Message----- From: techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com [mailto:techtoolslist-bounces@flippers.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sudbrink Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 10:29 AM To: Techtools List Subject: [Techtoolslist] Willem EPROM programmer...
I'm new to the list. I collect and repair/restore 8-bit microcomputers from the 1970's. I'm considering picking up one of the Willem EPROM programmers that seem to always be available on ebay for pretty cheap. I've gone through the list archives and see that there was a discussion on this subject several years ago but it didn't really come to any firm conclusion. My main use for this tool would be to program 2716s and 2732s. One of the tables in one of the ebay pages suggests that the device can test 6116 static RAMs which would also be useful. I have two concerns:
1) All of the ebay pages emphasize all of the new chips that these gizmos support. Has the "legacy" chip support been lost?
2) Whenever old programmers in good shape come up for auction, they go for a lot more than the "buy-it-now" on these Willems. Why?
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